Homage vs worship

[Christian3]

OK, perhaps we have a problem here. Either you're unaware that Daniel, being part of the Old Testament, was written in Hebrew, or maybe you're playing games?

I am well aware that the Hebrew Scriptures were written in Hebrew.

I do not play games.

Perhaps you can tell us why you're interested in the difference?

A Muslim said the different translations were evidence that the Bible is "corrupted," and I wanted to set him straight with some help from people on this board.

[One Bad Pig]

One example I gave on this passage was from the Hebrew to English.

The rest were from the Hebrew to Greek to English.

This statement confuses me. All the translations you identify in your first post were done directly from the Hebrew OT.

[One Bad Pig]

Always best to eliminate the middleman when possible. Go to the source, or as close to the source as you can get.

Have you ever played "Post Office", or "Telephone"?

These are really poor examples of "middlemen."

A rabbinic aphorism is that "Reading the Tanakh in translation is like kissing your bride through the veil."

[JohnnyP]

A Muslim said the different translations were evidence that the Bible is "corrupted," and I wanted to set him straight with some help from people on this board.

You could start by asking him if different translations of the Quran is evidence that the Quran is corrupted.

[Cow Poke]

A Muslim said the different translations were evidence that the Bible is "corrupted," and I wanted to set him straight with some help from people on this board.

If I might kindly and respectfully suggest... a lot of times it really helps to start with the "why" of what you're asking. So many threads begin with a question that sounds sincere enough, but turns out to be an attempt to get somebody to say something they can be pounced on for, or ... whatever.

You might find you get a lot better answers, and in much shorter time, when you include the "why". I apologize for suspecting this might be a "game" you were playing, but all too often, that ends up being the case.

As for your Muslim friend, it would have been good to explain that "context" is crucial in understanding which meaning of a word should be used, when multiple meanings are possible.

[Christian3]

This statement confuses me. All the translations you identify in your first post were done directly from the Hebrew OT.

Take another look. One was from the Hebrew to English. The rest were from the LXX -- Hebrew to Greek to English.

[Christian3]

You could start by asking him if different translations of the Quran is evidence that the Quran is corrupted.

LOL I already did. It is hard to get anywhere with a Muslim.

[Christian3]

If I might kindly and respectfully suggest... a lot of times it really helps to start with the "why" of what you're asking. So many threads begin with a question that sounds sincere enough, but turns out to be an attempt to get somebody to say something they can be pounced on for, or ... whatever.

You might find you get a lot better answers, and in much shorter time, when you include the "why".

It shouldn't make any difference.

I apologize for suspecting this might be a "game" you were playing, but all too often, that ends up being the case.

Apology accepted.

As John Reece knows, I have a lot of questions. Some come from trying to explain to Muslims without making a mistake.

Others are my own.

For instance I have a question about something Apostle Paul said that I do not understand, even after reading many commentaries and even after a Messianic Jew explained it to me. I still don't get it.

[Cow Poke]

It shouldn't make any difference.

I respectfully disagree.

I have a friend in Louisiana (a whole different Country than Texas) who's an older and wiser gentleman. I truly enjoy discussions with him, and have great respect for him.

I love the way he asks questions... (you're going to have to imagine the strong Cajun accent, cause I can't type it)

He'll as a question, then, BEFORE I CAN START TO ANSWER, he'll add "lemme tell you were I'm goin widdat"... and he'll tell my WHY he's asking the question. It saves a lot of time and trouble, and keeps me focused.

On a HUMOROUS note, here's an example I use...

A little boy asked his mom, "Mom, where did I come from?". She knew it was only a matter of time before "those discussions" began, so she told him to go ask his father. "Dad, where did I come from", he asked his Dad. Dad told him to ask Mom, and he said he already did, and SHE told him to ask DAD. They decided to have "the talk" after supper that night.

So, they sat Bobby down and very nervously explained about love and commitment and procreation and... even SEX.....

When they got all done, they asked Bobby, "any questions?"

he said, "well, wow -- that was all very fascinating, but what I meant was --- Jimmy comes from Pennsylvania --- where do *I* come from?"


It matters.