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Jesus said He was the Good Shepherd

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    I rely on someone who teaches Greek.

    I also rely on Daniel B. Wallace.
    Good for you.
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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    • #17
      Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
      I believe Jesus really said this, and meant that we are the sheep, and he is our shepherd. I'm surprised your source didn't mention Psalm 23! The Lord is my Shepherd. It seems this source is making a mess of what should be plain Scripture.

      Blessings,
      Lee
      Hypatia_Alexandria has refused to say what page number in John Ashton's book this interpolation is mentioned which leaves me to believe that Hypatia-Alexandria made it up.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
        Hypatia_Alexandria has refused to say what page number in John Ashton's book this interpolation is mentioned which leaves me to believe that Hypatia-Alexandria made it up.
        I made it quite clear in our earlier exchange [on a totally different board] concerning your contentions alleging that "The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down." for which you have yet to provide any evidence, and my own comment on Ashton.

        The ball, as they say, is in your court. It might be sensible to make any reply on the Apologetics 301 board.
        "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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        • #19
          And I would agree, indeed with you, Christian3.

          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
          Hypatia_Alexandria has refused to say what page number in John Ashton's book this interpolation is mentioned which leaves me to believe that Hypatia-Alexandria made it up.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
            And I would agree, indeed with you, Christian3.
            I can assure you that Prof. John Ashton was a real person.
            "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              I can assure you that Prof. John Ashton was a real person.
              Nobody said he wasn't.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                Nobody said he wasn't.
                You are free to read his book.
                "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                  You are free to read his book.
                  There are different versions of Ashton's book. Type out the table of contents of the book you have or the start of the table of contents.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                    There are different versions of Ashton's book. Type out the table of contents of the book you have or the start of the table of contents.
                    Instead of issuing orders you would do well to consider your own reluctance to provide supporting evidence. You have made the contention that "The Scriptures were preached orally for sometime before being written down."

                    I am still waiting for you to provide any evidence for that comment.
                    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                      John 10: 11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."

                      Someone said referring to this verse: "The phrase occurs in the periscope of John 10:1-21 and there are various interpretations for this passage and its imagery. It has been suggested that it is a later interpolation, along with chapter 6:15-17 and most of chapter 11. Other interpretations see it as the Johannine author’s adaptation of Matthew chapters 9&10. It can also be seen as continuing the shepherd tradition found in various books of the Septuagint [Zechariah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel]"

                      Is that true?

                      Thanks.
                      I think the Shepherd-imagery in St John refers primarily to the Davidic Kingship of Jesus, but also recalls the imagery of Isaiah 40, in which God is the Shepherd of Israel. Anyone who has listened to Handel’s “Israel in Egypt” will also be aware of the use of Shepherd-imagery for God’s care of Israel in the Exodus.

                      BTW: “periscope” should be “pericope”.

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