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Revelation 11:1-2 Greek word G3485 "Sanctuary"

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  • Revelation 11:1-2 Greek word G3485 "Sanctuary"

    Hello. While translating Revelation, I came across this Greek word G3485 in Reve 11:1-2.
    [The majority of Bible versions render it as "Temple" which is the Greek word G2411, which is never once used in Revelation.]

    Is there and Biblical significance of this difference?

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang...485&t=YLT&ss=1

    G3485 matches the Greek ναός (naos) occurs 46 times in 40 verses

    Revelation 11:
    1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
    2 and the Court/fold<833>[Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
    And the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months.

    G3485: ναός
    ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell), the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple, where the image of the god was placed, called also δόμος, σηκός, which is to be distinguished from τό ἱερόν, the whole temple, the entire consecrated enclosure; this distinction is observed also in the Bible;
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    G2411 ἱερόν (hieron) occurs 71 times in 67 verses i

    G2411
    of the temple at Jerusalem twice in the Sept., Ezekiel 45:19; 1 Chronicles 29:4; more frequent in the O. T. Apocrypha; in the N. T. often in the Gospels and Acts; once elsewhere, viz. 1 Corinthians 9:13. τό ἱερόν and ὁ ναός differ, in that the former designates the whole compass of the sacred enclosure, embracing the entire aggregate of buildings, balconies, porticos, courts (viz., that of the men or Israelites, that of the women, that of the priests), belonging to the temple; the latter designates the sacred edifice properly so called, consisting of two parts,
    Last edited by LittleLambofJesus; 12-13-2019, 02:17 PM.

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    Hi and welcome to theologyweb.

    I think it is just a matter of preference of the translators. Some translations are word for word and other use something called "dynamic equivalence" where the translator tries to get across the original meaning even if it take different words to do so.

    Reading the passages you quoted, it is pretty obvious that even when they use "sanctuary" they are talking about the temple.
    " the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it" The altar is in the Temple, right?

    Or it could mean the Sanctuary (Holy of Holies) as the inner part of the Temple.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Hi and welcome to theologyweb.

      I think it is just a matter of preference of the translators. Some translations are word for word and other use something called "dynamic equivalence" where the translator tries to get across the original meaning even if it take different words to do so.

      Reading the passages you quoted, it is pretty obvious that even when they use "sanctuary" they are talking about the temple.
      " the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it" The altar is in the Temple, right?

      Or it could mean the Sanctuary (Holy of Holies) as the inner part of the Temple.
      ”Sanctuary” specifically, is more likely IMHO. The Holy Place, even if not the Holy of Holies.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Hi and welcome to theologyweb.

        I think it is just a matter of preference of the translators. Some translations are word for word and other use something called "dynamic equivalence" where the translator tries to get across the original meaning even if it take different words to do so.

        Reading the passages you quoted, it is pretty obvious that even when they use "sanctuary" they are talking about the temple.
        " the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it" The altar is in the Temple, right?

        Or it could mean the Sanctuary (Holy of Holies) as the inner part of the Temple.
        Hello Sparko and thank you for the welcome and response.
        There were actually 2 Altars.
        The Bronze Altar of Sacrifice locate in the court outside of the Sanctuary and the Golden Altar located inside the Holy Place of the Sanctuary/Tabernacle.

        Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
        ”Sanctuary” specifically, is more likely IMHO. The Holy Place, even if not the Holy of Holies.
        I agree. The OC Court of the Priests in Herod's Temple was outside the Sanctuary. This Court inside the Temple is actually the one shown being cast out outside. Most Bible versions have "leave out" which is a gross mistranslation imho.....
        G1544 is used in only this 1 verse of Revelation:

        Revelation 11:2
        And the Court/fold<833>[Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
        And the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months.


        http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html
        G1544 ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) occurs 96 times in 76 verses

        STRONGS NT 1544
        : ἐκβάλλω
        ἐκβάλλω; imperfect 3 person plural ἐξέβαλλον (Mark 6:13 (Tr marginal reading aorist)); future ἐκβάλω; pluperfect ἐκβεβλήκειν (without augment, Mark 16:9; cf. Winers Grammar, § 12, 9; Buttmann, 33 (29)); 2 aorist ἐξέβαλον; (passive and middle present ἐκβάλλομαι); 1 aorist passive ἐξεβλήθην; future passive ἐκβληθήσομαι; (from Homer down); the Sept. generally for גָּרַשׁ, occasionally for הוצִיא, הורִישׁ, הִשְׁלִיך; to cast out; to drive out; to send out;
        1. with the included notion of more or less violence;
        a. to drive out, (cast out): a person, Matthew 21:12; Mark 9:15; John 2:15 (ἐκ); Luke 20:12, etc.
        ========================
        Here is an interesting picture of Herod's Temple and the courts:

        Herods temple sanctuary court best.jpeg
        Last edited by LittleLambofJesus; 12-14-2019, 10:13 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LittleLambofJesus View Post
          Hello Sparko and thank you for the welcome and response.
          There were actually 2 Altars.
          The Bronze Altar of Sacrifice locate in the court outside of the Sanctuary and the Golden Altar located inside the Holy Place of the Sanctuary/Tabernacle.


          I agree. The OC Court of the Priests in Herod's Temple was outside the Sanctuary. This Court inside the Temple is actually the one shown being cast out outside. Most Bible versions have "leave out" which is a gross mistranslation imho.....
          G1544 is used in only this 1 verse of Revelation:

          Revelation 11:2
          And the Court/fold<833>[Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
          And the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months.


          http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html
          G1544 ἐκβάλλω (ekballō) occurs 96 times in 76 verses

          STRONGS NT 1544
          : ἐκβάλλω
          ἐκβάλλω; imperfect 3 person plural ἐξέβαλλον (Mark 6:13 (Tr marginal reading aorist)); future ἐκβάλω; pluperfect ἐκβεβλήκειν (without augment, Mark 16:9; cf. Winers Grammar, § 12, 9; Buttmann, 33 (29)); 2 aorist ἐξέβαλον; (passive and middle present ἐκβάλλομαι); 1 aorist passive ἐξεβλήθην; future passive ἐκβληθήσομαι; (from Homer down); the Sept. generally for גָּרַשׁ, occasionally for הוצִיא, הורִישׁ, הִשְׁלִיך; to cast out; to drive out; to send out;
          1. with the included notion of more or less violence;
          a. to drive out, (cast out): a person, Matthew 21:12; Mark 9:15; John 2:15 (ἐκ); Luke 20:12, etc.
          ========================
          Here is an interesting picture of Herod's Temple and the courts:

          [ATTACH=CONFIG]41411[/ATTACH]
          Sound like you already have your answer.

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