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Jesus: "My God, My God why has thou forsaken me?

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  • Jesus: "My God, My God why has thou forsaken me?

    What language was Jesus speaking when He said this?

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Aramaic

    "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
    "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
    Katniss Everdeen


    Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
      Aramaic
      The reason I am asking is that a Muslim thinks Jesus called out for ALLAHA.

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      • #4
        I don't know Aramaic, but from what I understand about Aramaic, it's possible that the word for God is cognate with the Arabic, as they are related languages. In the end it shouldn't matter, because Jesus was speaking the normal Aramaic word for God (and Arabic-speaking Christians, such as those in my own Antiochian jurisdiction, use the word "Allah"), but I know that won't matter to a Muslim.

        "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
        "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
        Katniss Everdeen


        Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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        • #5
          “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46, KJV).

          If Jesus was referring to Psalm 22:1, some scholars believe He was using a transliteration of both Aramaic and Hebrew.

          In either case, the Psalm is most certainly about the real God, and not Allah.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46, KJV).

            If Jesus was referring to Psalm 22:1, some scholars believe He was using a transliteration of both Aramaic and Hebrew.

            In either case, the Psalm is most certainly about the real God, and not Allah.
            While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.

            "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
            "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
            Katniss Everdeen


            Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
              While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.
              yes
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                The reason I am asking is that a Muslim thinks Jesus called out for ALLAHA.
                Couldn't be. Even if you stretch "Eli/Eloi" to "Allah", the Allah of Islam only responds to prayers in Arabic - and the rest of his statement could not be considered Arabic.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
                  While I agree with you, and I agree that the Muslim concept of Allah is not the Judeo-Christian God, I emphasize again that Arabic-speaking Christians use the word "Allah" since it is the generic word for God in Arabic.
                  Arab Jews and Christians do say Allah when referring to God but that is only because they speak Arabic. They do not have the same conception of God as Muslims do; for instance, some of the Christians are trinitarian.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Couldn't be. Even if you stretch "Eli/Eloi" to "Allah", the Allah of Islam only responds to prayers in Arabic - and the rest of his statement could not be considered Arabic.
                    And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                      And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.
                      Correct, David spoke clear King James English with a British accent.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Correct, David spoke clear King James English with a British accent.
                        duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                          duh. everyone knows King David used the KJV version of the bible.
                          It was good enough for Paul and Silas!
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                            And this phrase was originally spoken by King David and he did not speak in Arabic.
                            For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                            You never know. Maybe David DID speak in Arabic, but the nefarious Jews changed it to Hebrew when they corrupted the text.

                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                              Arab Jews and Christians do say Allah when referring to God but that is only because they speak Arabic. They do not have the same conception of God as Muslims do; for instance, some of the Christians are trinitarian.
                              I don't know why I bother.

                              "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                              "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                              Katniss Everdeen


                              Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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