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The camel and the needle's eye and the word that became flesh

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Originally posted by Geert van den Bos;811
    Hebrew letters are consonants. They form "the body" of the word, i.e. "the flesh". John 6:51, [I
    I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.[/I]
    https://twitter.com/mozeson

    Mar 16

    If you think that words are not about the seven basic anatomical letters (vowels, lip-made, throat-made, nose made, etc.) then see this You Tube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnNb...ature=youtu.be

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    https://twitter.com/RabbiGinsburgh


    Every month in the Hebrew calendar is represented by a letter. The letter of Adar is kuf (ק), which means “monkey” (קוף).

    In Hebrew, “monkey” (קוף) also means “eye of a needle”; the epitome of the impossible is to thread an elephant through the eye of a needle.

    An elephant coming through the eye of a needle alludes to the infinite God who formed a tiny vacuum and passed through it.

    God penetrates the vacuum of creation because the entire creation is being recreated at every moment and God’s presence exists here too.

    The wonder (פֶּלֶא) of God’s infinite presence in a finite world is as amusing as an elephant (פִּיל) passing through the eye of a needle.
    The same counts for the camel, even more since "camel" is the name of the third letter "gimel". (see above)


    The wonder (פֶּלֶא):

    "The stone rejected by the builders did become head of the corner -
    From the Lord (Tetragrammaton present in the initials of "yom hashishi vayçhulu hashamayim" ) and it is wondrous in our eyes - הִיא נִפְלָאת בְּעֵינֵינוּ,

    (Mark 12:10-11 after Psalms 118-22-23)

    Which intimates that "the needle's eye" is the little opening represnted by the letter "hey" in "hashishi" ...

    (the quantitative differnce between "yom shishi" and "yom hashishi" being very small-- 666 versus 671) -- the qualitative difference is a world to come.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    That doesn't take away that the camel represents the third letter.
    does anyone listen to your nonsense? You can't even get latin and german right, why should anyone think you can get greek, hebrew, or aramaic right?

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    Syriac Bible the camel rendered as rope.
    That doesn't take away that the camel represents the third letter.

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  • 37818
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    Syriac Bible the camel rendered as rope.

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Originally posted by Geert van den Bos View Post
    Detoxification is kind of weaning, it is a process, a way. The camel, the ship of the desert, brings you from out of Egyptian slavery into the promised land.
    From: "The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet" by Rabbi Munk:

    "The camel received its name ("gamal") because it is like a "weaned" child ("gamul") and can go for a ling time without drinking"

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    more nonsense. Just lay off the drugs slyvius.
    Detoxification is kind of weaning, it is a process, a way. The camel, the ship of the desert, brings you from out of Egyptian slavery into the promised land.

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  • Sparko
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    more nonsense. Just lay off the drugs slyvius.

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Mark 4:19,

    καὶ αἱ μέριμναι τοῦ αἰῶνος καὶ ἡ ἀπάτη τοῦ πλούτου καὶ αἱ περὶ τὰ λοιπὰ ἐπιθυμίαι εἰσπορευόμεναι συμπνίγουσιν τὸν λόγον, καὶ ἄκαρπος γίνεται.

    and the cares of life, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things, entering in, choke the word, and it becomes barren.

    συμπνίγω = choke

    πνίγω is derived from πνέω to breathe, to blow

    like πνεῦμα = spirit, wind, breath.

    so : συμπνίγω = choke = take away breath.

    πνευματικός = spiritual

    Solid food is just for the spiritual (1 Corinthians 3:1-3)

    "gamal" as a letter is solid food (The letters form the body of the word).

    cf. http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/artic...d-Paradise.htm
    Rabbi Akiva said to his students, "When you come to the place of pure marble stones, do not say, 'Water! Water!' lest you place yourselves in danger, for it is said, 'He who speaks untruths shall not stand before My eyes.'
    Last edited by Geert van den Bos; 01-20-2014, 03:16 PM.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Or, let's play around with words from different languages and act like if it looks similar, the words mean the same ting, even if I don't know what they really mean" That game?

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    There is so much wrong with his posts it is hard to know where to begin. He just makes up stuff out of whole cloth.
    Maybe he's related to mickiel.

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  • Sparko
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    There is so much wrong with his posts it is hard to know where to begin. He just makes up stuff out of whole cloth.

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  • John Reece
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    who were you on the old theologyweb site?
    Thanks for asking that question.

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  • Catholicity
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    Naww Sparky, its just an old nutjob

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  • Geert van den Bos
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    who were you on the old theologyweb site?
    Sylvius.

    Concerning the rich for whom it is less easy to enter the kingdom of God Mark 4:18-19 did say already:

    And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.


    We are ever dwelling on the threshold

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