Repentance from dead works in Hebrews 6:1

[IamLives]

Are you saying that the author has made a clear allusion to Eze 18:4 or that we should just infer one? In Heb 6:1 we just have a mention of works , not of sin nor of dying.

Not necessarily that Eze 18:4 was a clear allusion, but rather we can use the verse to define his meaning of "dead works," though you make a valid point. However, there is not a mention solely of works, but "dead works." What are dead works? If works are actions? Then what are dead actions? Meaningless? Insignificant? Or is the word "dead" elaborating the end of the classified actions. For a work or an action to be classified as "dead," that would by default mean the actions are lifeless. They do not produce fulfillment, life, they in fact reach a bitter end.
Your question is the reason I alluded to vs. 9:14.

The writer is not telling the audience to lay aside teachings. The writer was saying he would try avoiding discussion on the basics so he could address the powerful distinctions that should be of compelling interest to the audience.

No, he is not telling them to lay aside teachings, but to build on the foundation which was the teachings of repentance from dead works and faith toward God.
So that they may learn new things beyond the fundamentals.
He still reinstates a message accompanying salvation, so where do you see him avoiding basic principles? They weren't understanding it, so he gives them understanding.

It seems that your first point here is roughly true. But their 'works' should be seen as 'dead' ... not particularly their path. I think we properly infer that the audience was keeping busy on the wrong actions. However, Hebrews doesn't say that the audience was actually facing death here.

Works affirm the walk. Good trees bear good fruit. Dead works lead to death because a wrong action is a sin, and the wages of sin is death, unless you think that wrong actions can be justified. Why would we need to repent and turn away from dead works if they didn't lead us to death? Why would we need the Messiah to clear our conscience from dead works if they weren't going to lead us to death? And why would there be so much emphasis on imitating Christ?
We can't properly infer anything, or we have nothing but a supposition, we must stick to the infallible teaching of the text, what it is exactly saying, or we change the meaning and intent to what we want it to, that being said, what does the text say?

[mikewhitney]

Okay, so i guess im new to theologyweb. I've browsed this site and read debates/discussions for months but i have decided to register and begin participating in these discussions.

Welcome to tweb as a new member.

So the first thing i want to point out, is that the book of Hebrews is expository of the Old Testament teachings. Therefore we should consider the context of whats being said. What I mean is understanding the allusions helps us understand the teachings in Hebrews.

Ezekiel 18:4 teaches us that, "the soul who sins will die." Hence the meaning of dead works, the author is emphasizing actions, works that lead to death.

Are you saying that the author has made a clear allusion to Eze 18:4 or that we should just infer one? In Heb 6:1 we just have a mention of works , not of sin nor of dying.

If in verses 5:11-14, the author discusses that the ones addressed in this letter should be teachers, yet can't be because they require teaching, like a baby who needs milk because they have not yet matured enough to be able to ingest solid food, then what is he explaining in verses 6:1-2? Vs. 5:11-14 states these people are not accustomed to righteousness, and in 6:1-2 the author tells them to leave elementary teaches, such as repentance, and move on from milk to solid food.

The writer is not telling the audience to lay aside teachings. The writer was saying he would try avoiding discussion on the basics so he could address the powerful distinctions that should be of compelling interest to the audience.

So yes, the concept you're uncertain of is exactly referring to repentance of sin. Notice that when written it's coupled with faith toward God. Because one is to repent of their works that were leading them to death, and move on from their wicked ways by faith in Him.

It seems that your first point here is roughly true. But their 'works' should be seen as 'dead' ... not particularly their path. I think we properly infer that the audience was keeping busy on the wrong actions. However, Hebrews doesn't say that the audience was actually facing death here.

[IamLives]

Okay, so i guess im new to theologyweb. I've browsed this site and read debates/discussions for months but i have decided to register and begin participating in these discussions.
So the first thing i want to point out, is that the book of Hebrews is expository of the Old Testament teachings. Therefore we should consider the context of whats being said. What I mean is understanding the allusions helps us understand the teachings in Hebrews.

Ezekiel 18:4 teaches us that, "the soul who sins will die." Hence the meaning of dead works, the author is emphasizing actions, works that lead to death.
He brings to light OT teachings in vs. 1-8, yet establishes true sanctity in vs. 9-12. Simply expounding upon New Covenant doctrine.
Look at Hebrews 9:14, this verse sheds light on dead works, and just after that verse, speaks of the new covenant.
So the author is opposing OT covenant theology with Christ's death being the redemption for our dead works, now we can live with the assurance of hope to be diligent imitators of Christ who died for us.

If in verses 5:11-14, the author discusses that the ones addressed in this letter should be teachers, yet can't be because they require teaching, like a baby who needs milk because they have not yet matured enough to be able to ingest solid food, then what is he explaining in verses 6:1-2? Vs. 5:11-14 states these people are not accustomed to righteousness, and in 6:1-2 the author tells them to leave elementary teaches, such as repentance, and move on from milk to solid food. Because if they do not move on to maturity, they are only "laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God." However, The repentance and faith, is merely a foundation, yet these people are not building off of it, they are not becoming accustomed to righteousness, and are not learning to discern good from evil.

So yes, the concept you're uncertain of is exactly referring to repentance of sin. Notice that when written it's coupled with faith toward God. Because one is to repent of their works that were leading them to death, and move on from their wicked ways by faith in Him.

[mikewhitney]

I know the insufficiency of animal sacrifice is a theme throughout Hebrews, but the clause from Hebrews 5:11-6:2 seems somewhat detached from the rest of the book as a parenthetical explanation of what the author would rather not spend his time talking about; some of the other topics mentioned there are either not mentioned or only tangentially mentioned.

It seems that Heb 6 is a continuation of the author's goal to lead the Hebrew believers into adherence to the Messianic teaching rather than just assimilating back among the common non-Messianic people. We see in the Hebrews letter that the believers were forsaking the assembling together as Messianic believers; they were hiding their new beliefs and apparently were even starting to forget the greater glory and benefit through Christ -- a glory that outshined the prototype found in the temple worship.

In your OP, you ask about the "ineffectual system of the animal sacrifices." The author may have been rebuking the audience for reliance on the animal sacrifices, in light of the greater sacrifice of Christ. However, there is no indication that the animal sacrifices where overall ineffectual -- it doesn't seem that an argument is being made simply against the "old system." Instead the argument of the letter focused on Christ as the fulfillment of what was planned. Christ is the true way for reconciliation with God, cleansing our sin. The author wanted to rekindle the Hebrews' attentiveness to all that had been provided to them through Christ.

So the "dead works" seems to be speaking of actions proscribed within the pre-Messianic culture ... of seeking righteousness through their own actions. There were many things to repent from: the rejection of God, the rejection of Jesus, their sins, and their own idea of works. The culture of the first century appeared to be focused on doing works described by the Pharisees ... but these works did not really show loving regard for their neighbors. The repentance then would involve more kindness and concern for each other.

[KingsGambit]

This really doesn't make sense since faith is discussed to a great extent later; so is judgment.

I'm thinking most particularly of baptism, which I at least don't think is discussed elsewhere in Hebrews. But I underestimated the extent to which judgment was discussed there upon reflection. I was thinking of a similar tangential subject, which led me astray slightly.

[Paprika]

some of the other topics mentioned there are either not mentioned or only tangentially mentioned.

This really doesn't make sense since faith is discussed to a great extent later; so is judgment.

[KingsGambit]

It appears to be sin. 9:13-14 provides important context:

I know the insufficiency of animal sacrifice is a theme throughout Hebrews, but the clause from Hebrews 5:11-6:2 seems somewhat detached from the rest of the book as a parenthetical explanation of what the author would rather not spend his time talking about; some of the other topics mentioned there are either not mentioned or only tangentially mentioned.

[Paprika]

Does the concept of repentance from dead works as mentioned as an elementary part of the faith in Hebrews 6:1 refer to a general repentance from sin, or does it refer to a moving beyond the ineffectual system of animal sacrifice? Or does it mean something else beyond this?

It appears to be sin. 9:13-14 provides important context:

For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

[KingsGambit]

Does the concept of repentance from dead works as mentioned as an elementary part of the faith in Hebrews 6:1 refer to a general repentance from sin, or does it refer to a moving beyond the ineffectual system of animal sacrifice? Or does it mean something else beyond this?