Underground Music Scene - Split from Xtians thread

[Adrift]

Right CP, you should probably split this, I'm not sure where to... Maybe the art gallery? Sorry we hijacked your thread.



"Hardcore" means it uses certain punk core progressions and involves "screams," and often incorporates what is known as a "breakdown" a segment of the song that is a bit like every instrument doing a solo. The different cores are just variations upon that theme, post-hardcore is generic for whatever has come after in the same vein without being something else, metalcore is metal influenced hardcore, with deathcore being death metal influenced hardcore, electronicore is when synths are incorporated, and there are other less common, and even rediculous subgenres.

That is roughly the same scene and it over laps in someplaces with pop-punk which is simply punk influenced by pop, and includes many of the so-called "emo" bands.

What made it popular? Well, I think that people are less afraid to get into it because the culture is that even though we dance by hitting people sometimes, or shoving them, you pick up someone who goes down, I've heard too many frontmen preach about us all being in it together. Plus, now you can hear whatever tickles your fancy with a Google search.

Thanks for the breakdown on what hardcore means today. Back in the day I think it had a simpler description. It was just a stripped down, faster, and maybe slightly heavier version of regular punk (which was already pretty stripped down and fast). Most bands then came from California, specifically LA. The Germs, Circle Jerks, Angry Samoans, etc. By the time it ventured out of LA proper and filtrated into Orange County with the second wave of punk, the sound changed, and became the focus, where's before that it just seemed to be one of many different styles of early punk in the region. By the time the late 80s rolled around, thrash metal was big in the skateboard community, and the styles seemed to naturally mesh with one another. Which is still kinda strange to me, because, in the mid and late 80s, I was a metal head, and metal heads didn't really get along with punks. As I understand it, around about the same time what they today call "Emo" came out of the DC punk scene. I guess it was called emo because it was supposed to be emotional punk. One of the supposedly main innovators of that sound were Fugazi (who I saw in 92 or 93 with Fifteen in Dayton). But Fugazi sounds nothing at all like what is called "Emo" today. Also around the same time all of that skatepunk got real popular. Bands like NOFX and Pennywise, and bands like that. I was never really into any of that stuff. Then pop-punk got big with Green Day and The Offspring after grunge got big, and totally couldn't stand that stuff. It was sort of like a second death for punk rock, in my opinion. That's pretty much where I stopped taking notice of whatever was popular outside of the Old School stuff. I joined in the military in 99, and when I got out in 2003, I noticed there were like a billion Hardcore, Emo, Pop-punk cross blends bands everywhere. Some of it I guess is pretty decent, but that Screamo stuff makes me feel like an old codger yelling at the kids to turn their music down.

Your point does still stand so far as local bands go, at least to an extent. I've seen shows where I knew two bands and found three more that I like.

That's good to hear!

[Cow Poke]

Right CP, you should probably split this, I'm not sure where to... Maybe the art gallery? Sorry we hijacked your thread.

No problem -- I see it has served its purpose.

[Pentecost]

Right CP, you should probably split this, I'm not sure where to... Maybe the art gallery? Sorry we hijacked your thread.

Interesting. I don't really know the difference between all of the hardcore permutations. I don't really go to a lot of shows anymore, but when I do, they're mostly secular bands. I went to a Cornerstone Festival (which was a Christian music festival) sometime around, I guess, 2004(?), 2005(?), and the vast majority of bands that played on the smaller stages were some sort of "core" or "emo" hybrid. Not really sure what made that sound so popular all of a sudden.

"Hardcore" means it uses certain punk core progressions and involves "screams," and often incorporates what is known as a "breakdown" a segment of the song that is a bit like every instrument doing a solo. The different cores are just variations upon that theme, post-hardcore is generic for whatever has come after in the same vein without being something else, metalcore is metal influenced hardcore, with deathcore being death metal influenced hardcore, electronicore is when synths are incorporated, and there are other less common, and even rediculous subgenres.

That is roughly the same scene and it over laps in someplaces with pop-punk which is simply punk influenced by pop, and includes many of the so-called "emo" bands.

What made it popular? Well, I think that people are less afraid to get into it because the culture is that even though we dance by hitting people sometimes, or shoving them, you pick up someone who goes down, I've heard too many frontmen preach about us all being in it together. Plus, now you can hear whatever tickles your fancy with a Google search.

Your point does still stand so far as local bands go, at least to an extent. I've seen shows where I knew two bands and found three more that I like.

[Adrift]

Would you guys mind terribly if I had this split off to a Christian Rock Band thread or something?

A little bit. Yeah.




Nah. Sorry. Go ahead and split it off. We're not really talking about Christian rock bands though (at least, I'm not). Just bands in general, I think.

[Cow Poke]

Would you guys mind terribly if I had this split off to a Christian Rock Band thread or something?

[Adrift]

Yeah, it's changed I'm sure, post-hardcore, metalcore (see Zym's sig), electronicore, deathcore etc.

The inspiration to that Youth Conference thread was that I was informed that this years fall conference in my district had a metalcore band perform before they began more traditional worship music. I doubt that's normal, I was kinda shocked by it since my denomination has rules against dancing.

Interesting. I don't really know the difference between all of the hardcore permutations. I don't really go to a lot of shows anymore, but when I do, they're mostly secular bands. I went to a Cornerstone Festival (which was a Christian music festival) sometime around, I guess, 2004(?), 2005(?), and the vast majority of bands that played on the smaller stages were some sort of "core" or "emo" hybrid. Not really sure what made that sound so popular all of a sudden.

[Adrift]

Interesting. I was also curious as to what you meant by "underground music scenes." (See left)

Yeah. I don't know why I (or others) still refer to it as "underground". Back in the day, these were genres you mostly only knew from local shows, small indie record shops, the occasional fanzine, and of course word of mouth. Most of the bands I'm into now I only knew by way of compilation tapes friends of mine would make for me. Thanks to the internet, there really isn't an undergound anymore. Bands that I thought were the most obscure of the obscure, that maybe I, and a couple hundred people knew about, you can find in a couple seconds using Google.

[Pentecost]

Yeah. I'm into some early 80s hardcore (The Germs, Exploited, Dead Kennedys), but the later 80s early 90s thrash, and skatepunk I don't really get into. A lot of bands they call Hardcore today, I don't really get. Guess I'm just getting old. But I would still consider them underground for the most part.

Yeh.

Yeah, it's changed I'm sure, post-hardcore, metalcore (see Zym's sig), electronicore, deathcore etc.

The inspiration to that Youth Conference thread was that I was informed that this years fall conference in my district had a metalcore band perform before they began more traditional worship music. I doubt that's normal, I was kinda shocked by it since my denomination has rules against dancing.

[Zymologist]

By underground music scenes I mean music well outside of most of the commercial mainstream. I'm thinking here mostly of old school punk music, and its various post-punk spin offs (Anarcho-Punk, Crust Punk, No Wave, Batcave, Deathrock, Goth, Neofolk, etc), and the Industrial and experimental/Avant-Garde and Noise genres that popped up right around the same time as punk did in the 70s.

I wasn't really referring to Christian bands, but instead to some individual Christians on some of the music forums I used to post on that would identify themselves in passing as Xtian. I don't think they put much more thought into it than that it was a cool looking way to spell "Christian".

Interesting. I was also curious as to what you meant by "underground music scenes." (See left)

[Adrift]

Okay, I think I understand. I am a big fan of the modern Hardcore scene which is certainly a devopement of post-punk. And since this is TWeb, I'll mention that the Christian bands (which are very common) have often times expressed charismatic teachings in they're songs.

Yeah. I'm into some early 80s hardcore (The Germs, Exploited, Dead Kennedys), but the later 80s early 90s thrash, and skatepunk I don't really get into. A lot of bands they call Hardcore today, I don't really get. Guess I'm just getting old. But I would still consider them underground for the most part.

But at this point we're off topic.

Yeh.

[Pentecost]

By underground music scenes I mean music well outside of most of the commercial mainstream. I'm thinking here mostly of old school punk music, and its various post-punk spin offs (Anarcho-Punk, Crust Punk, No Wave, Batcave, Deathrock, Goth, Neofolk, etc), and the Industrial and experimental/Avant-Garde and Noise genres that popped up right around the same time as punk did in the 70s.

I wasn't really referring to Christian bands, but instead to some individual Christians on some of the music forums I used to post on that would identify themselves in passing as Xtian. I don't think they put much more thought into it than that it was a cool looking way to spell "Christian".

Okay, I think I understand. I am a big fan of the modern Hardcore scene which is certainly a devopement of post-punk. And since this is TWeb, I'll mention that the Christian bands (which are very common) have often times expressed charismatic teachings in they're songs. But at this point we're off topic.

[Adrift]

Batcave is also the name of a band??? I thought they might be doing it for the coolness factor too.

Never heard of them. The Batcave (outside of DC lore) was originally the name of a popular club in London where a lot of Goth bands played or were regularly spun. Probably the two most well known bands associated with the club and the scene are Alien Sex Fiend and Specimen, but folks like Marc Almond, Nick Cave, Bauhaus, Ian Astbury and others hung out there.

I didn't mean to imply that Batcave has anything to do with the label "Xtian". Just that I know some people who identified as "Xtian" who were into underground music genres that included Batcave.

[Christianbookworm]

Batcave is also the name of a band??? I thought they might be doing it for the coolness factor too.

[Adrift]

I've never understood what people meant by "underground music scenes." I know there are multiple Christian bands that don't have a "popular" sound that use the Chi Rho symbol and have bought merch from them with it displayed obviously, I know those bands identify as Christian and I'm sure most of their fan identify as either irreligious or Christian.

By underground music scenes I mean music well outside of most of the commercial mainstream. I'm thinking here mostly of old school punk music, and its various post-punk spin offs (Anarcho-Punk, Crust Punk, No Wave, Batcave, Deathrock, Goth, Neofolk, etc), and the Industrial and experimental/Avant-Garde and Noise genres that popped up right around the same time as punk did in the 70s.

I wasn't really referring to Christian bands, but instead to some individual Christians on some of the music forums I used to post on that would identify themselves in passing as Xtian. I don't think they put much more thought into it than that it was a cool looking way to spell "Christian".

[Pentecost]

Yeah, I edited that out of my post, because I wasn't sure. Maybe it was Sparko or someone else.



I'm convinced that there's not much more to it than that. I've known a few Christians in some of the underground music scenes that went primarily with that designation, but it had absolutely nothing to do with anything other than they liked how it looked when it was spelled differently. If I could easily type the Chi-Rho on my keyboard, I'd probably use that more than "Christian".

I've never understood what people meant by "underground music scenes." I know there are multiple Christian bands that don't have a "popular" sound that use the Chi Rho symbol and have bought merch from them with it displayed obviously, I know those bands identify as Christian and I'm sure most of their fan identify as either irreligious or Christian.