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  • #46
    Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
    When I first saw the title "Anime and Food", only one character came to my mind...

    Only one? I could probably find dozens of characters eating just as much if not more than that.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      wow, a whole new world about which I know nothing!
      And just like with virtually anything, some of the stuff is really good. And some can make you crack a molar from grinding your teeth.

      I tend to like a lot of the more "realistic" and even darker stuff. Shigurui: Death Frenzy, Requiem From the Darkness and even a couple of episodes from Black Lagoon were especially grim, dealing with very uncomfortable topics and making you feel like you need a shower after watching them. And that's just something you don't wind in western cartoons.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #48


        Calling the police in anime.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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        • #49
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          Johny Quest? The artwork is wrong for anime ... checking .... yep, Hanna Barbera.

          There used to be a "statue" (fibreglass, I think) of Kimba out front of Kyoto station. I wasn't happy when I got there on one trip and found that it had been removed.
          Look at the original series not the later remakes and reboots that were just terrible.

          They actually draw people to look human for the show rather than these characters who if you saw irl would look like mutant monstrosities, so not anime. Even the folks in the background were drawn as individuals, each unique. When they were in southeast Asia that was the only cartoon for a very long time where the "natives" weren't all the exact same color. You saw various shades -- just like you do in real life.

          Another thing I liked is how it featured stuff that had just been invented, like lasers (they still made things blow up though), hydrofoils and all sorts of neat stuff.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #50
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            And just like with virtually anything, some of the stuff is really good. And some can make you crack a molar from grinding your teeth.

            I tend to like a lot of the more "realistic" and even darker stuff. Shigurui: Death Frenzy, Requiem From the Darkness and even a couple of episodes from Black Lagoon were especially grim, dealing with very uncomfortable topics and making you feel like you need a shower after watching them. And that's just something you don't wind in western cartoons.
            Tales of Berseria wasn't particularly realistic, but it definitely got quite dark. Despite that, it is one of my favorite JRPG's now. Closest thing I can think of in western animation would be Invincible. I haven't seen more than a handful of scenes, but dang they get quite brutal, and in a pretty realistic way given the superhero genre.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

              Tales of Berseria wasn't particularly realistic, but it definitely got quite dark. Despite that, it is one of my favorite JRPG's now. Closest thing I can think of in western animation would be Invincible. I haven't seen more than a handful of scenes, but dang they get quite brutal, and in a pretty realistic way given the superhero genre.
              Requiem was a ghost story that touched on issues like cannibalism, necrophilia and incest.

              Black Lagoon had a two-parter about a pair of very young deranged assassins who had been forced to make kiddy porn snuff movies for the mafia and were now broken and as cold-blooded while simultaneously sadistic as they come. Almost as nasty as the head of the Russian mob who had one killed in front of her so she could watch him die in agony (payment for their torturing one of her men to death by driving nails in his body starting at the legs).

              Shigurui was "merely" incredibly bloody and gruesome where not one single character appeared to have any redeemable traits.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #52
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                And just like with virtually anything, some of the stuff is really good. And some can make you crack a molar from grinding your teeth.

                I tend to like a lot of the more "realistic" and even darker stuff. Shigurui: Death Frenzy, Requiem From the Darkness and even a couple of episodes from Black Lagoon were especially grim, dealing with very uncomfortable topics and making you feel like you need a shower after watching them. And that's just something you don't wind in western cartoons.
                Anime does know how to produce dark stories properly. I can't think of any western shows, cartoon or live action, that can quite capture darkness the way that Japanese shows do.

                Elfen Lied and Hell Girl ran the concept from two very different perspectives.
                Last edited by tabibito; 08-03-2021, 12:57 PM.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                  Anime does know how to produce dark stories properly. I can't think of any western shows, cartoon or live action, that can quite capture darkness the way that Japanese shows do.
                  For the longest time western shows shied away from killing children, whereas anime knew its shock value and weren't afraid to up it.

                  Let's make the victim even younger!

                  How about two of them -- a brother and sister with the younger barely even a toddler.

                  Can we disembowel them? That's worse than just cutting them down.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

                  Comment


                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Requiem was a ghost story that touched on issues like cannibalism, necrophilia and incest.

                    Black Lagoon had a two-parter about a pair of very young deranged assassins who had been forced to make kiddy porn snuff movies for the mafia and were now broken and as cold-blooded while simultaneously sadistic as they come. Almost as nasty as the head of the Russian mob who had one killed in front of her so she could watch him die in agony (payment for their torturing one of her men to death by driving nails in his body starting at the legs).

                    Shigurui was "merely" incredibly bloody and gruesome where not one single character appeared to have any redeemable traits.
                    Ugh, you weren't kidding.

                    Tales of Berseria involves sacrifices to a being who feeds off of sin, including a little kid. The main antagonist brought this being back and wants to keep it around so it can control the thoughts of everyone on the planet to "end human suffering". I forgot to add Persona 5. Persona 5 deals with an extremely abusive(all types of abuse) gym teacher who drove a girl to attempt suicide, a mafia guy extorting kids who were scammed into being drug mules, a government official who was ordering violent psychotic breakdowns of anyone who stood in his way to power, and a kid who had the power to make people go psychotic and then murder them in a very gruesome way* that leaves no evidence. Being able to fight people like that, and help others through the trauma they endured is rewarding? I guess. I know it isn't real, but it gives more appreciation for 1. the people who do stop such fiends, 2. an understanding of how things got so far in the first place, and 3. a level of understanding of those who went through that kind of trauma I didn't have before.

                    Invincible is incredibly bloody and gruesome. Although there is a trace of humanity even in the main antagonist. A very, very small amount, but there is something there.

                    Now that I think about it, Tales of Berseria was more tame in a lot of ways than Persona 5.

                    *I know it sounds pretty terrible, but it's not dark just for the sake of it.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      For the longest time western shows shied away from killing children, whereas anime knew its shock value and weren't afraid to up it.

                      Let's make the victim even younger!

                      How about two of them -- a brother and sister with the younger barely even a toddler.

                      Can we disembowel them? That's worse than just cutting them down.
                      Yeah, they censored the English version of Tales of Berseria on this issue, but you can still tell what is happening. It definitely helps with the motivation needed to stop the villain, that is for sure.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        For the longest time western shows shied away from killing children, whereas anime knew its shock value and weren't afraid to up it.

                        Let's make the victim even younger!

                        How about two of them -- a brother and sister with the younger barely even a toddler.

                        Can we disembowel them? That's worse than just cutting them down.
                        Ah - no. That kind of thing isn't to my taste, but psychological darkness stories do.

                        One show, not dark but dealing with death, that particularly impressed me was 死神のバラッド. (Ballad of a death god.) The target audience is pre-teen. The stories feature young children dealing with death of people close to them

                        Momo and Daniel.jpg

                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                        .
                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                          Ah - no. That kind of thing isn't to my taste, but psychological darkness stories do.

                          One show, not dark but dealing with death, that particularly impressed me was 死神のバラッド. (Ballad of a death god.) The target audience is pre-teen. The stories feature young children dealing with death of people close to them

                          Momo and Daniel.jpg
                          I generally don't like the really dark stuff like rogue06 brings up, but occasionally one I didn't realize would be quite so dark going in ended up being really good. Fortunately the examples I have seen have some lighthearted content to balance things out a bit. If I watch something that is really, really dark, I have to go and see something more wholesome elsewhere to balance it out.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                            I generally don't like the really dark stuff like rogue06 brings up, but occasionally one I didn't realize would be quite so dark going in ended up being really good. Fortunately the examples I have seen have some lighthearted content to balance things out a bit. If I watch something that is really, really dark, I have to go and see something more wholesome elsewhere to balance it out.
                            Likewise. Blood and gore usually leaves me cold.
                            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                            Scripture before Tradition:
                            but that won't prevent others from
                            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                            of the right to call yourself Christian.

                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                              Likewise. Blood and gore usually leaves me cold.
                              That I can usually handle, but not always. In animated* form it is usually easier because of how over the top it is often is. Kenshin having a fountain of blood when he nicks his thumb is a lot easier to handle than say or Omniman killing their version of the Justice League. I have to have a kind of "detox" if I watch stuff like the latter for any real length of time.

                              *If it is over the top silly in live action I can usually handle it too. Something like one scene in Undercover Brother where a guy gets his head karate chopped from both sides and green goo shoots out of his ears. The closer it resembles real injuries and how people would react in real life, the harder it becomes to handle.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                                That I can usually handle, but not always. In animated* form it is usually easier because of how over the top it is often is. Kenshin having a fountain of blood when he nicks his thumb is a lot easier to handle than say or Omniman killing their version of the Justice League. I have to have a kind of "detox" if I watch stuff like the latter for any real length of time.

                                *If it is over the top silly in live action I can usually handle it too. Something like one scene in Undercover Brother where a guy gets his head karate chopped from both sides and green goo shoots out of his ears. The closer it resembles real injuries and how people would react in real life, the harder it becomes to handle.
                                True enough; the "blood" that appears in Kenshin is so unlike real blood that it is easy to handle - same with the blood from blood noses. (quite common in High School slice of life stories).
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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