States That Prohibit Abortion

[Teallaura]

Alabama, as of Friday, June 24, 2022.

[Cow Poke]

Tenth Amendment -

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Abortion is a "States" issue.

[Teallaura]

Tenth Amendment -

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Abortion is a "States" issue.

I think it is a moral issue. I'll take the win but I think that the Constitution does in fact protect the right to live subject only to due process of law.

Now the real battle begins - the only way to protect babies now is to win over every state.

[Cow Poke]

I think it is a moral issue. I'll take the win but I think that the Constitution does in fact protect the right to live subject only to due process of law.

Oh, absolutely --- the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...."
You can't be happy if you're not "free" (liberty)
And you can't have liberty if you're not "alive".

But the fact that "abortion is a right guaranteed by the Constitution" is bogus, as even many liberal legal scholars had noted.

Now the real battle begins - the only way to protect babies now is to win over every state.

Amen. And one of the interesting things about this is that the abortionists will actually have to come up with 'reasoning', rather than just yell "it's the law of the land!"

[Cow Poke]

I think it is a moral issue. I'll take the win but I think that the Constitution does in fact protect the right to live subject only to due process of law.

Now the real battle begins - the only way to protect babies now is to win over every state.

OK, I have to do a double-take when I see your avatar --- it looks a lot like... um....

[Teallaura]

OK, I have to do a double-take when I see your avatar --- it looks a lot like... um....

[KingsGambit]

Kansas firmly rejected a pro-life amendment. From what I heard from an old acquaintance who works for the state Democratic party, numbers of Republicans were showing up to their headquarters and saying "how can I help,". If this reddest of red states won't do it, we need to temper our expectations about what's possible.

(From what I can tell, one thing that hurt the pro-life cause was reports that there was no life of mother exception. This was true but misleading; the amendment simply stated that there was no constitutional right to an abortion, contra the state Supreme Court, so specific details were beyond its scope).

[rogue06]

Kansas firmly rejected a pro-life amendment. From what I heard from an old acquaintance who works for the state Democratic party, numbers of Republicans were showing up to their headquarters and saying "how can I help,". If this reddest of red states won't do it, we need to temper our expectations about what's possible.

(From what I can tell, one thing that hurt the pro-life cause was reports that there was no life of mother exception. This was true but misleading; the amendment simply stated that there was no constitutional right to an abortion, contra the state Supreme Court, so specific details were beyond its scope).

A link: Kansas rejects constitutional amendment removing the state level right to an abortion

[Cow Poke]

Kansas firmly rejected a pro-life amendment. From what I heard from an old acquaintance who works for the state Democratic party, numbers of Republicans were showing up to their headquarters and saying "how can I help,". If this reddest of red states won't do it, we need to temper our expectations about what's possible.

(From what I can tell, one thing that hurt the pro-life cause was reports that there was no life of mother exception. This was true but misleading; the amendment simply stated that there was no constitutional right to an abortion, contra the state Supreme Court, so specific details were beyond its scope).

Also, the wording of the amendment was a bit odd.

[KingsGambit]

There is a decent takeaway. A friend of mine (he's a libertarian himself, but one of the smartest people I know, and can accurately summarize both sides' arguments fairly) said, and I summarize, "Many of my friends will be sad, but voters did not buy that you loved them both (the amendment was called Love Them Both). You still have the opportunity to make that case now.)

[Cow Poke]

There is a decent takeaway. A friend of mine (he's a libertarian himself, but one of the smartest people I know, and can accurately summarize both sides' arguments fairly) said, and I summarize, "Many of my friends will be sad, but voters did not buy that you loved them both (the amendment was called Love Them Both). You still have the opportunity to make that case now.)

Invalid argument! The number of ( and ) do not match!

[KingsGambit]

Invalid argument! The number of ( and ) do not match!

And I thought I was safe from ever doing math again.

[Cow Poke]

And I thought I was safe from ever doing math again.

Laughing -- it's one of my ... um... quirks, I guess.

I have actually printed a document, only to realize I've missed a quote mark or parentheses, and had to fix it and print again.

[NorrinRadd]

There is a decent takeaway. A friend of mine (he's a libertarian himself, but one of the smartest people I know, and can accurately summarize both sides' arguments fairly) said, and I summarize, "Many of my friends will be sad, but voters did not buy that you loved them both..."

So Kansas voters chose to not love the most innocent and defenseless.

That is ultimately what it boils down to, and why there will never likely be a full victory before the Lord returns. A nationwide law would probably not make it past a Dem. filibuster, and if it did, could just as easily be removed when power changes hands. A Pro-Life Amendment would be almost impossible to enact at all, since the Pro-Kill faction is so large and willfully resistant to persuasion.

[KingsGambit]

So Kansas voters chose to not love the most innocent and defenseless.

That is ultimately what it boils down to, and why there will never likely be a full victory before the Lord returns. A nationwide law would probably not make it past a Dem. filibuster, and if it did, could just as easily be removed when power changes hands. A Pro-Life Amendment would be almost impossible to enact at all, since the Pro-Kill faction is so large and willfully resistant to persuasion.

True pro-life people are not in the majority. The entire point is that like it or not, there is a need to persuade the malleable winner if it's going before the polls.

I do know that pro-life people did use outright deception to try to win, including one operative sending out mass texts saying "Vote yes to protect reproductive freedom", and that's not what I'm referring to (maybe someone can make a case about how it was justified like with Rahab, but I'd rather not go down that road right now).