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The wonders of human development- NO DEBATES, PLEASE!

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  • The wonders of human development- NO DEBATES, PLEASE!

    So, we know a lot more about how a baby grows in it's mother's womb than the ancient Hebrews, but I wouldn't claim that we know everything there is to know about human development. What are some new discoveries/theories about human development? I don't want any debates and I am looking at this from a theistic perspective in that I believe God is ultimately responsible for creating the process in some manner.
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    • #3
      But fevers can be bad also.... So, if the mother gets sick, that can affect her baby for life! Possibly. It's amazing how fast those babies develop in nine months. And the first three years after birth are vital for the amount of changes also. It is amazing! Yes, I have young nieces and it's amazing to see how much they change.
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      • #4
        We actually don't know a ton about human development, given that it's not a system we can experiment on. But we do know a fair bit about vertebrate development through the use of various model systems. The mouse, which has excellent genetics, is the primary model. But chickens are also useful, since you can manipulate the embryo while it's still in the egg, then seal up the egg and let it develop for several days more.

        The thing that's impressed me from this work is how important history is. In the system i know best from my own work, a class of signaling protein first tells certain cells to become precursors of nerve cells. The proteins remains expressed on the edge of the developing spinal cord, and from there tells the top third of the neural precursor population to have a distinct identity from the remainder of the cells. Then, different thresholds of the proteins divide the top third into four distinct populations, each of which go on to produce different specialized nerve cells. Once these specialized nerve cells form, they respond to the same signal by migrating away from it.

        So, having a history of seeing these signaling proteins helps the same cell population to respond differently to them than the rest of the cells in the developing spinal cord. We know something about the regulatory mechanisms that cause this to take place, but there's a lot of details still to be left out.

        We also know a fair bit about the evolutionary logic of how that came about - i can go into that if the thread owner feels that this wouldn't violate the "no debates" rule.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by TheLurch View Post
          We actually don't know a ton about human development, given that it's not a system we can experiment on. But we do know a fair bit about vertebrate development through the use of various model systems. The mouse, which has excellent genetics, is the primary model. But chickens are also useful, since you can manipulate the embryo while it's still in the egg, then seal up the egg and let it develop for several days more.

          The thing that's impressed me from this work is how important history is. In the system i know best from my own work, a class of signaling protein first tells certain cells to become precursors of nerve cells. The proteins remains expressed on the edge of the developing spinal cord, and from there tells the top third of the neural precursor population to have a distinct identity from the remainder of the cells. Then, different thresholds of the proteins divide the top third into four distinct populations, each of which go on to produce different specialized nerve cells. Once these specialized nerve cells form, they respond to the same signal by migrating away from it.

          So, having a history of seeing these signaling proteins helps the same cell population to respond differently to them than the rest of the cells in the developing spinal cord. We know something about the regulatory mechanisms that cause this to take place, but there's a lot of details still to be left out.

          We also know a fair bit about the evolutionary logic of how that came about - i can go into that if the thread owner feels that this wouldn't violate the "no debates" rule.
          I'd be interested just to know, if it's acceptable (you won't get any debates out of me over it at least )
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            • #7
              Okay! It is amazing how fast children grow and change. And, yet, it takes over a decade for our species to reach reproductive maturity and two to three decades for cognitive maturity. We are complex.
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              • #8
                Babies are wonderfully made!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                  Babies are wonderfully made!
                  ...and are fun to make!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    ...and are fun to make!

                    Uh...


                    What's fun about a petri dish?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                      Uh...


                      What's fun about a petri dish?
                      That's decidedly NOT the normal way babies are made (and is morally questionable, to boot).
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        That's decidedly NOT the normal way babies are made (and is morally questionable, to boot).
                        Mainly because they think it's okay to throw away those precious embryos instead of putting all the "extras" up for adoption. And treating babies like a commodity.
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                        • #13
                          I find it fascinating that everyone learns to communicate by listening to others talk while their own brains are still far from developed.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I find it fascinating that everyone learns to communicate by listening to others talk while their own brains are still far from developed.
                            Babies come with a "database" for how to learn a language. They essentially do a unconscious statistical analysis to figure out what things are called and what words are. So, if you tell a baby that a table is a chair, but everyone else refers to the table as a table, the baby will know the table is a table and just write off "that is a chair" as an outlier. Id they are a toddler/preschooler, they may even laugh and say "OBP! You silly! That's a table, not a chair!"
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                            • #15
                              My nieces find it funny when I pretend an object(not a hat) is a hat. They know what a hat is. And young humans understand more than they can say. That makes sense. There are still words I know the meaning of that I can't pronounce. Then again, I learned most of my vocabulary from reading, so I wouldn't know the pronunciation.
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