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  • Epoetker
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    I don't have to explain to you, as you really aren't that stupid, that Anders Breivik is a murderer today and would have been a murderer then.
    I very much doubt that. His particular motivation and opportunity for murdering leftist princes was an interesting consequence of being a candidate for one himself, but having his father abandon his mother during his formative years, actually living on the streets with the Pakistani gangsters rather than in the nice rich white neighborhoods, and having leftist terrorist heroes like Nelson Mandela and Osama bin Laden as inspiration, to say nothing of Max Manus.

    Why are you hesitant about the death penalty? Its not immoral by any stretch of the imagination, in some sense its far less cruel than life in prison (which is what Breivik effectively has), and its the proper penalty fitting the crime of what he did.
    Were I ruler of Norway, Brevik would of course get the death penalty for daring to murder openly in my country. Were I ruler of Norway, I would also have deported all Pakistanis and hung the leftist functionaries and commissioners who imported them from public lampposts. But I'm not ruler of Norway, am I?

    Are you afraid they'll chop your head off Epo? That axe was used only for murderers.
    Denmark has shown quite a bit more sense about immigration than Norway has, and so they don't seem to have had a lot of Brevik-equivalents there. It's certainly not because they've been willing to use the axe.

    The tears you're crying for the life he might have had, and blaming society for him being a murderer is ridiculous to watch.
    I fully admit that they're crocodile tears, and I'm doing it precisely because leftists do indeed cry those same crocodile tears (and often, real ones) whenever a gangster of their preferred race is ventilated by police or, worst of all, average citizens protecting themselves. Recognizing that Brevik is, in fact, a gangster who did the world's biggest drive-by, and not a mysterious unknown individual with mysterious unknown motivations, is the first step toward a sane appraisal of what to do with him.

    What he did, he did with the full rational consent of his will. No one forced his hands, held the gun for him, or forced his heart. It was a personal free will decision, of which he's solely responsible. There is no possible plea of either insanity or stupidity, he did everything competently and he shows no sign of being a psychopath. And he murdered people with an unalienable, God-given, right to life. Furthermore he acted against every single moral edict to not go against the authority.
    His "moral edicts" all came from his leftist/gang indoctrination when growing up, dude:

    Originally posted by Anders Behring Brevik
    Since I was 12 years old I was into the hip-hop movement. For several years I was one of the most notable "hip-hop‘ers" from Oslo‘s West side. It was a lot easier to "gain respect and credibility" in Oslo West because of the demographic factors. Oslo West was the "privileged and predominantly native side" of Oslo with very few immigrants in contrast to the East side which was less peaceful. Graffiti and break dance was an important part of our life at that point. Around 1993 and 1994, at 15, I was the most active tagger (graffiti artist) in Oslo as several people in the old school hip-hop community can attest to.

    Our standard "graffiti raid" consisted of going out at night, in groups of 2-3, with our backpacks full of spray cans. We took our bikes and "bombed" city blocks with our tags, "pieces" and crew name all over Oslo. "Morg, Wick and Spok" was everywhere. The fact that hundreds of kids our own age all over Oslo West and even Oslo East looked up to us was one of the driving forces I guess. At that time it felt very rewarding to us. If you wanted girls and respect then it was all about the hip hop community at that time. The more reckless you were the more respect and admiration you gained.

    Everyone didn't approve though. The government had a no-tolerance attitude towards graffiti and removed 90% of our "creations" within 48 hours. I remember it was an unofficial war between the hip-hop community and the government and Oslo Sporveier, our public subway company. Two guys I knew, Stian and Charles, a few years older than me were arrested, received gigantic fines and was put in jail.

    The hip-hop movement In Norway had its climax around that time, in 92-93. The community was very "politically correct" in nature with close ties to the extreme left groups like SOS Rasisme (an extreme left wing movement) and Blitz (a violent left wing extremist movement). I remember we used to hang out with various people and groups all over Oslo. There were plenty of hip-hop concerts at Blitz and it was at this time that the communist hip-hop group; "Gatas Parlament" was created. It‘s hard to imagine but during this time everyone was into graffiti and hip-hop.
    It seems that ABB was basically keepin' it real his whole life. THUG LYFE, WIGGAS!

    I don't have to show you the biblical mandates for these things, you already know them.
    Norway is not ruled by Biblical mandates, by any means. It's ruled by people who consider themselves holier and more enlightened than Jesus. Such a place is hell for the honest and hardworking, so it's not like I can argue Biblical policies there. So, all I can recommend is a continuation of their previous policies toward the convicted.

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  • Darth Xena
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    There's nothing inherently wrong in discussing why people kill though.



    I never blamed his deeds on society. I'm simply pointing out that "society" (or certain liberals, to be more specific) did, in fact, do serious harm to Breivik and others. Breivik didn't simply wake up one day and decide to kill a bunch of kids. As for executing him, I advocated that from day one. I just think he should share the gallows with the people who flew in foreign mercenaries to make his life a living hell. That would include a lot of the parents of the kids he killed.
    We do this frequently in discussing American killers… we can condemn their deeds and still try to find out triggers. Heck that is done all the time with minority criminals, I don't see why it should not be done here. However, I think he would have found other triggers… mental illness will come out. He wasn't a sane man, to say that absent these triggers he would have been law-abiding is a stretch.

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  • Outis
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    Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
    Hmm I can't find where I read that, wikipedia says paranoid schizophrenic.
    That was the original diagnosis, along with the conclusion that he was insane during the shootings and the psychiatric evaluation. The original diagnosis was challenged ... I believe a second evaluation was ordered and a different diagnosis given (along with the conclusion that he was suffering from mental illness, but still competent)< but I'm not 100% certain of that.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    That makes you/we (whatever group this 'we' is) no more entitled then them, because that would be engaging in a two wrongs makes a right fallacy.
    There's nothing inherently wrong in discussing why people kill though.

    Because blaming his deeds on society is highly ironic to hear, coming out of the mouth of two self-professed Christian conservatives, seeing what your views about human decision making and responsibility ought to be.
    I never blamed his deeds on society. I'm simply pointing out that "society" (or certain liberals, to be more specific) did, in fact, do serious harm to Breivik and others. Breivik didn't simply wake up one day and decide to kill a bunch of kids. As for executing him, I advocated that from day one. I just think he should share the gallows with the people who flew in foreign mercenaries to make his life a living hell. That would include a lot of the parents of the kids he killed.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    If liberals can do it routinely for every murderer whose skin pigmentation is a shade darker than white and/or his politics a touch to the left of Stalin then why can't we do that for everyone else?
    That makes you/we (whatever group this 'we' is) no more entitled then them, because that would be engaging in a two wrongs makes a right fallacy.

    Anyway, if you don't want to discuss his "personal views" (his personal experiences of being routinely assaulted by racist Cultural Enrichment Squads seem to be more relevant here) then why post here at all?
    Because blaming his deeds on society is highly ironic to hear, coming out of the mouth of two self-professed Christian conservatives, seeing what your views about human decision making and responsibility ought to be. Secondly, that an ear is given to his political worldview at all, which is irrelevant, he's a murderer. Finally the opening post was about whether he's being mistreated: I agree, he's alive, he shouldn't be.

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  • Darth Xena
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    Hmm I can't find where I read that, wikipedia says paranoid schizophrenic.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
    I believe he was diagnosed as one
    Everything I've read says the opposite: that he wasn't diagnosed as one. Do you have a source?

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  • Darth Xena
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Hmmm, I don't think he's a sociopath Deedee.

    If he was a sociopath (and say a delusional pathological narcissist with deep aggression like Ed Harris from Columbine) he wouldn't be as evil as he is. He would be less culpable for his crimes. It would mean that he's inherently less capable of respecting other people as individuals like himself, or to appreciate God's image in them, understanding the world around him and controlling his actions. That would make him, perhaps still fairly evil, but more simple just dangerous. However all evaluations of Breivik tells us that he's completely neurotypical, he just wanted to murder hundreds of youths for various reasons he enjoys telling; it was planned over years using his free time and then executed under his own decision. That takes a greater kind of evil, than what a sociopath might do in the course of the events of his life.

    Now he's spending his time in prison making idle death threats unless he gets his will, using it as a political platform, when he should have been in his grave several years ago.
    I believe he was diagnosed as one, and (little known factoid), my hobby is reading about sociopaths. I haven't read much on him, but from my hobby in general, he seems to fit the bill. Sociopaths often take up political causes that will give them an excuse for violence. Your second to last statement leads me to believe you haven't read about many sociopaths.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    Come on Darth Ex, Epo is flame fishing by trying to play devils advocate for Breivik.
    If liberals can do it routinely for every murderer whose skin pigmentation is a shade darker than white and/or his politics a touch to the left of Stalin then why can't we do that for everyone else?

    Anyway, if you don't want to discuss his "personal views" (his personal experiences of being routinely assaulted by racist Cultural Enrichment Squads seem to be more relevant here) then why post here at all?

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
    He wouldn't have been a murderer then, because he wouldn't have had any reason to murder anyone back then. It's not like the vikings brought in Muslim thugs from the other side of the world and provided them with legal protection to beat and harass people.
    Come on Darth Ex, Epo is flame fishing by trying to play devils advocate for Breivik. I won't discuss his personal or political views as that would give air time and legitimacy to a murderer. He doesn't deserve the honour or the credit, preferable his life would have been terminated and his deeds made silent. Trying to paint it as a brave protest, or a tragic hero really isn't proportional to what he did. Whatever his motives he's a murderer, he gets a murderers punishment, that's just and fair. Except I think it would have been fairer if he had been permanently silenced.

    I don't care if he's an ultra-right winger killing people over right-wing issues, or if he had been an Earth First, communist radical, a Christian abortion doctor killer. No motive can justify his actions, neither in this life, and especially not afterwards.

    The only time I've learned about his political views has actually been in this thread, from you and Epo, who seem to be idolising his actions.

    Originally posted by DeeDeeWarren
    Sociopaths will always have a reason to murder. The clever ones find ways to do it legally.
    Hmmm, I don't think he's a sociopath Deedee.

    If he was a sociopath (and say a delusional pathological narcissist with deep aggression like Ed Harris from Columbine) he wouldn't be as evil as he is. He would be less culpable for his crimes. It would mean that he's inherently less capable of respecting other people as individuals like himself, or to appreciate God's image in them, understanding the world around him and controlling his actions. That would make him, perhaps still fairly evil, but more simple just dangerous. However all evaluations of Breivik tells us that he's completely neurotypical, he just wanted to murder hundreds of youths for various reasons he enjoys telling; it was planned over years using his free time and then executed under his own decision. That takes a greater kind of evil, than what a sociopath might do in the course of the events of his life.

    Now he's spending his time in prison making idle death threats unless he gets his will, using it as a political platform, when he should have been in his grave several years ago.

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  • Darth Xena
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    Sociopaths will always have a reason to murder. The clever ones find ways to do it legally.

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  • Darth Executor
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    I don't have to explain to you, as you really aren't that stupid, that Anders Breivik is a murderer today and would have been a murderer then.
    He wouldn't have been a murderer then, because he wouldn't have had any reason to murder anyone back then. It's not like the vikings brought in Muslim thugs from the other side of the world and provided them with legal protection to beat and harass people.

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  • Leonhard
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    Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
    "Used to do" being the key words. It takes a special kind of chutzpah to summon the ghosts of the past, whom you've been disparaging all your life, to stand witness against the one who fights in their name. Are you sure that's a good idea?
    I don't have to explain to you, as you really aren't that stupid, that Anders Breivik is a murderer today and would have been a murderer then.

    Why are you hesitant about the death penalty? Its not immoral by any stretch of the imagination, in some sense its far less cruel than life in prison (which is what Breivik effectively has), and its the proper penalty fitting the crime of what he did.

    Might they not turn and tear you in pieces with their ecto-axes or whatever when you try to tell them what to do?
    Are you afraid they'll chop your head off Epo? That axe was used only for murderers.

    If Norway had a collective disgust reflex against criminals and murderers, instead of a commitment to process and being on the forefront of the liberal self-flagellation community, Brevik would have never done his deed, and would likely be currently serving as a police commissioner or firearms instructor as his temperament led.
    The tears you're crying for the life he might have had, and blaming society for him being a murderer is ridiculous to watch. What he did, he did with the full rational consent of his will. No one forced his hands, held the gun for him, or forced his heart. It was a personal free will decision, of which he's solely responsible. There is no possible plea of either insanity or stupidity, he did everything competently and he shows no sign of being a psychopath. And he murdered people with an unalienable, God-given, right to life. Furthermore he acted against every single moral edict to not go against the authority.

    I don't have to show you the biblical mandates for these things, you already know them.
    Last edited by Leonhard; 02-23-2014, 10:58 AM.

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  • Epoetker
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    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    This is what we used to do people like him in Denmark. I hope you haven't gone soft on him Epo.

    "Used to do" being the key words. It takes a special kind of chutzpah to summon the ghosts of the past, whom you've been disparaging all your life, to stand witness against the one who fights in their name. Are you sure that's a good idea? Might they not turn and tear you in pieces with their ecto-axes or whatever when you try to tell them what to do?

    Why should I go any harder on him than Norway does? He slaughtered a whole bunch of the liberal Norwegian ruling party's teenagers at their official youth indoctrination camp, because he was disgusted by what the that party had done to his country and desired to punish them in the worst way possible. He whines no more and no less than anyone else in a Norwegian prison, or indeed, most other Western prisons, because that's how the game is played. If Norway had a collective disgust reflex against criminals and murderers, instead of a commitment to process and being on the forefront of the liberal self-flagellation community, Brevik would have never done his deed, and would likely be currently serving as a police commissioner or firearms instructor as his temperament led. But he had to have a liberal party upbringing, didn't he:


    Originally posted by Mencius Moldbug
    He's whining because, having grown up on heroic Nelson Mandela, he thinks he can free himself and his nation by a combination of (a) whining and (b) mass murder.
    And his type is indisputably human and could be a stand-in in about every rap album ever made:

    But there is a difference between right and left - and it's just not that the left is in and the right is out. The right stands for order and the left for chaos. Violence is essential to both - but certainly not the same kind of violence.

    The left (hilariously still named the "Norwegian Workers' Party" - they should really update their name to match their clients) brought "A-Gjengen" and "B-Gjengen" to Oslo. And the right? There is no Norwegian right. Just Norwegian gangsters, a C-gang if you will. An ABB knows Oslo needs order, but all he can think to do about it is a spectacular gang massacre - basically a giant drive-by. In his heart he's still a tagger.
    Why comment on a tragedy large enough to eclipse the whole nation?

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  • Outis
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    As I said, the poor baby needs a whaaaaaaambulance.

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