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Mass murderer Breivik threatens to go on hunger strike ... for better video games

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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Welcome to Epo-land
    I think he was referring to the OP.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #17
      Something does seem suspicious, actually. Normally the response to a hunger strike by a mass murderer you hate would be, ideally, to minimize his public exposure. Unless there happened to be, say, a referendum on immigration in Norway coming up that you think you might lose.

      Looks like the plan is to keep Brevik's face and vague 'neo-Nazi' associations out there as much as possible in a campaign of guilt-by-association. Guess Switzerland got them scared.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
        Looks like the plan is to keep Brevik's face and vague 'neo-Nazi' associations out there as much as possible in a campaign of guilt-by-association.
        Kinda shoots your theory in the foot to know that Breivik sent the demand letter to the press himself, eh?

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        • #19
          I don't have a violin small enough.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
            I don't have a violin small enough.
            As long as you can play "My heart bleeds purple peanut butter for you," it should suffice.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Outis View Post
              Kinda shoots your theory in the foot to know that Breivik sent the demand letter to the press himself, eh?
              Ahem:

              In the letter dated January 29
              Plenty of time, looks like. Norwegian politics isn't quite my strong suit, but press shenanigans are common wherever liberals are found.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
                From the same source:

                in a letter received by AFP Friday.
                For those not in the know, Agence France-Presse is a French news agency.

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                • #23
                  He only got 21 years for killing almost 100 people? Really? They should have executed him or given him 500 years and no privileges whatsoever.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    He only got 21 years for killing almost 100 people? Really? They should have executed him or given him 500 years and no privileges whatsoever.
                    Give him a ratty old deck of cards that's missing two cards to play solitaire with.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      He only got 21 years for killing almost 100 people? Really? They should have executed him or given him 500 years and no privileges whatsoever.
                      Technically, he got 21 years--that's the maximum sentence in Norway. The actual sentence is "as long as he is a danger to society," and unless he has a radical change of worldview, he will never see the outside of prison as a free man.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Outis View Post
                        Technically, he got 21 years--that's the maximum sentence in Norway. The actual sentence is "as long as he is a danger to society," and unless he has a radical change of worldview, he will never see the outside of prison as a free man.
                        idiotic of them. 21 year maximum? for what was it, 79 people? That's just a few months per victim. The least they could have done is 21 years per person.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          idiotic of them. 21 year maximum? for what was it, 79 people? That's just a few months per victim. The least they could have done is 21 years per person.
                          For that, the fault is with the law, not the courts. Frankly, if there was ever a list of cases that proved the need for a death sentence, this is high on the list, imo.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Outis View Post
                            For that, the fault is with the law, not the courts. Frankly, if there was ever a list of cases that proved the need for a death sentence, this is high on the list, imo.
                            The fault is with the entire Norwegian society. Norway didn't give the death sentence to the violent Pakistani murderers, pimps, and other various thugs they imported into their cities; they're certainly not about to give it to Brevik. The main concern is that Brevik is being treated unequally with regard to the other prisoners, possibly because of certain vindictive elements among the prison staff. But this absolutely violates Norway's liberal dedication to both human equality and following proper bureaucratic and legal procedure, and we can only hope that such petty, cruel and unusual punishment is halted in the ongoing Norwegian crusade to show themselves the most enlightened white people in Europe.

                            If Norwegians were still Vikings, Brevik would have never done his deed in the first place, after all.
                            Last edited by Epoetker; 02-18-2014, 12:44 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Outis View Post
                              Technically, he got 21 years--that's the maximum sentence in Norway. The actual sentence is "as long as he is a danger to society," and unless he has a radical change of worldview, he will never see the outside of prison as a free man.
                              I understand the desire to provide sentences that will realistically serve the needs of society, but this kind of sentence can become nebulous. I read the other day about a local case where somebody committed some sex offenses a couple of decades ago, and their sentence ended five years ago, but the state refused to release him because they felt he was a threat to re-offend. This was used as rationale to hold him nearly five years without a trial before a judge said he had to be let go. (For what it's worth, there is evidence the person appears to have reformed somewhat in prison.) I can see people being okay with this kind of thing on a case by case basis, but in general, it can lead to some bad results and I believe sentences should be no more or no less than what they are set at (and this goes too for Norwegian "life sentences" masquerading as 21 year sentences).
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                I understand the desire to provide sentences that will realistically serve the needs of society, but this kind of sentence can become nebulous. I read the other day about a local case where somebody committed some sex offenses a couple of decades ago, and their sentence ended five years ago, but the state refused to release him because they felt he was a threat to re-offend. This was used as rationale to hold him nearly five years without a trial before a judge said he had to be let go. (For what it's worth, there is evidence the person appears to have reformed somewhat in prison.) I can see people being okay with this kind of thing on a case by case basis, but in general, it can lead to some bad results and I believe sentences should be no more or no less than what they are set at (and this goes too for Norwegian "life sentences" masquerading as 21 year sentences).
                                I know almost nothing of Norwegian law, but I'm given to understand (perhaps incorrectly) that in other countries that use a similar "until he is no danger to the public" guideline (specifically England), there is a fairly elaborate procedure for deciding whether or not the person actually is a danger, including the chance for the person to appear before a judge and argue their case, legal representation, medical and psychological evaluations, and the like. I'm also given to understand that in such cases, the burden of proof is on the government to establish that the person is a continuing danger, not upon the person to establish that they are safe. If Norway has similar procedures, then while I acknowledge that the potential of danger you cite is very real, there is some hope that it is mitigated by the procedures.

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