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Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-08-2015, 06:37 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Yes, that's true, as St. Augustine in the 4th Century was a Roman Catholic. That's not news. Nor is it news that Paul invented lots of new theology that was a departure not just from Judaism but from his fellow Jewish Christians. So Christianity existed before Paul without Paul's doctrines that YOU say are foundational to Christianity.
Then along comes Augustine of Hippo three centuries later and ossifies Paulism into Augustinianism, a very predestinarian leap beyond anything preceding him and very much rejecting the prior leading Christian theologian (and philosopher and Bible critic), Origen.
Then eleven centuries later comes John Calvin and the development into Calvinism that is now rejected by almost all Christians.Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)
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Originally posted by Adam View PostNo, Frank,
She is telling you (do you ever listen?) aboutBishop Gustav Aulen's "reincarnation" of THE traditional Christian theory of Atonement, the Classical Theory of Atonement.
Based on Jesus's words in Mark we find Jesus had to die to free Earth from Satan's dominion. As Satan as an angel pre-dated Adam, you are wrong to hold as essential that the non-Biblical concept of Original Sin and the not expressly biblical concept of the Fall of Adam.
Don't expect me to reply if you go off on your usual excuses for why in spite of everything you are not wrong.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Adam View PostYes, that's true, as St. Augustine in the 4th Century was a Roman Catholic. That's not news. Nor is it news that Paul invented lots of new theology that was a departure not just from Judaism but from his fellow Jewish Christians. So Christianity existed before Paul without Paul's doctrines that YOU say are foundational to Christianity.
Then along comes Augustine of Hippo three centuries later and ossifies Paulism into Augustinianism, a very predestinarian leap beyond anything preceding him and very much rejecting the prior leading Christian theologian (and philosopher and Bible critic), Origen.
Then eleven centuries later comes John Calvin and the development into Calvinism that is now rejected by almost all Christians.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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