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    Why the right is right.

  • #2
    Nice piece of US Conservative propaganda.

    Too bad he sorta cuts himself short by being wrong about the environment.

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    • #3
      He says global warming can't be fixed and Islamic terrorism is a greater threat than global warming.

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      • #4
        I certainly think we can do something about ISIS, while at the same time keeping up with the transition to renewable energy and removing the coal subsidies in the process.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
          He says global warming can't be fixed and Islamic terrorism is a greater threat than global warming.
          So he's correct on both accounts.

          Whass so funny?

          Even the most drooling climate change fans are starting to realize that little can be done.

          And Muslim terrorism IS an imminent threat to developed world, and it's doubtful that it will get any less threatening.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            I certainly think we can do something about ISIS, while at the same time keeping up with the transition to renewable energy and removing the coal subsidies in the process.
            I'm all for renewable (terrible word if you think about -- undepletable would be a better term) energies which will be absolutely necessary to replace dwindling petroleum reserves. That's a no-brainer.

            You must realize that not all conservatives are anti-renewable energy.

            However ISIS and radical Islam is an imminent threat to the very core of civilization.

            What "something" do you think should be done about ISIS?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
              Even the most drooling climate change fans are starting to realize that little can be done.
              That's false, since quite a bit can be done about climate change, as noted by the IPCC, EPA, etc.

              So either you're misinformed or you're lying.
              "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jichard View Post
                So either you're misinformed or you're lying.
                there is a third option and that is that he thinks the IPCC and the EPA are wrong in their analysis.

                That doesn't mean he's misinformed or lying. It simply means he disagrees with their conclusions.
                Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
                1 Corinthians 16:13

                "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
                -Ben Witherington III

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Raphael View Post
                  there is a third option and that is that he thinks the IPCC and the EPA are wrong in their analysis.

                  That doesn't mean he's misinformed or lying. It simply means he disagrees with their conclusions.
                  That might help klaus54, if klaus54 was just talking about what klaus54 believed. But that isn't the case. klaus54 was instead talking about what other people believed and said:
                  Originally posted by klaus54 View Post
                  Even the most drooling climate change fans are starting to realize that little can be done.
                  So the issue is not whether klaus54 agrees with the IPCC's and EPA's analysis. It's instead whether he was right about what the IPCC and EPA said. And klaus54 was clearly wrong about what they said, since the IPCC, EPA, etc. think there's quite a bit that can be done about climate change.

                  So that leaves two options: klaus54 was unknowingly wrong or knowingly wrong. The former implies he's misinformed, and the latter implies he's lying.
                  "Instead, we argue, it is necessary to shift the debate from the subject under consideration, instead exposing to public scrutiny the tactics they [denialists] employ and identifying them publicly for what they are."

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                  • #10
                    The video touched on one of the most consistent personality differences between conservatives and liberals: That liberals are more open to new ideas.

                    So liberals will consistently express interest in learning about alternate viewpoints. They're not satisfied with the idea of "whatever my parents taught me is right, because it just is". They want to hear about other ideas. They want to evaluate new possibilities and new views on a level playing field. This is why so many liberals become scientists: They're genuinely interested in testing out new ideas, theorizing about new things, and doing experiments to see how a novel approach compares to the current standard one. Conservatives, by contrast, already have decided their existing ideas are the best ones, so aren't necessarily all that interested in expanding their knowledge.

                    Because liberals are so inclined to want to interact with alternate ideas and alternate points of view, over time a liberal becomes pretty knowledgeable about what the various different points of view on a subject are, and the pros and cons of one over another. The liberals overall will be more knowledgeable about the range of possible policies than conservatives. The liberal is then in a very good position to make an informed and intelligent choice about what the best ideas are. They will assess and cross-compare different ways of doing things, evaluate the outcomes in different countries around the world, and pay close attention to the outcomes of policies they have implemented and be happy to change those policies if they're not working.

                    By contrast, the conservatives aren't very open to new ideas. They've got their political views from their family and their pastor and the propaganda they listen to, and they're sticking to them come what may.

                    That, in short, is why the liberals are nearly always right and the conservatives are nearly always wrong. Because the liberals know more, they're better informed, they understand how different political policies play out around the world, and because they treat the different views on an even playing-field rather than with innate prejudice they are able to make evidence-based choices as to what policies yield the best outcomes. The views of the liberals have been shaped by evidence and knowledge of the pros and cons of the various alternatives, whereas the views of the conservatives have been shaped by innate prejudice towards whatever they are familiar with and are characterized by bias and ignorance.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #11
                      I should mention that as a result of that, the most reliable way to unconvert a conservative, in my observation, is to show them a society that is thriving but which is working very differently to their own one. In the face of actually seeing a society successfully working differently to what they have been told all their lives is the 'right' way of doing things, makes it very difficult for them to maintain their 'tradition is right, the end' point of view (where by 'tradition' they mean 'whatever I grew up with as a child').

                      I think for this reason the study of cultural anthropology in schools and at universities is particularly important: Studying different societies throughout history and looking at their cultures and the way they have functioned, makes people understand that our society is capable of undergoing massive social changes without collapsing apocalyptically, and makes people realize what the true range of ways of operating a society are beyond "what I grew up with plus what I can imagine with my very limited imagination".

                      Equally, learning in detail about some other countries at school, is very important. For kids in the US, studying Canada, the UK, the Soviet Union, and a Scandinavian country, would seem to be a good range of choices, to give people knowledge of a variety of political views and their outcomes both successful and unsuccessful. It's hard, for example, for a person who's familiar with how different ideas pan out in practice to say that left-wing ideas would "dEstrOy aMerIcA!!!" as so many on the right seem to think, while having knowledge of how successful Canada and Scandinavia have been as a result of following policies that are off the left-wing end of America's political spectrum.

                      In short, knowledge of different perspectives is the ultimate counter to conservatism (particularly as it currently exists in the US).

                      The video in the OP complains that liberals, despite being open to lots of different ideas, aren't open to the conservative ideas on a number of issues. And the reason for that is very very simple. Liberals, being familiar with various different ways of doing things, and knowledgeable of the pros and cons of lots of different possible policies, can easily see that the conservative proposals are some of the worst possible policies whose consequences will be utterly terrible, and the liberals thus conclude "almost anything else would be better than what the conservatives are proposing".
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        It should have been called ‘Why the Right is full of horsie poo’ to coin a CPism.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jichard View Post
                          That's false, since quite a bit can be done about climate change, as noted by the IPCC, EPA, etc.

                          So either you're misinformed or you're lying.
                          Despite ex-spurts claims, I dot not accept that we can impact the human influence on climate change significantly. We could possibly achieve some reversal if we could dramatically change our Carbon footprint, but the necessary change is beyond reasonable expectations.
                          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                          go with the flow the river knows . . .

                          Frank

                          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            The video touched on one of the most consistent personality differences between conservatives and liberals: That liberals are more open to new ideas.

                            So liberals will consistently express interest in learning about alternate viewpoints. They're not satisfied with the idea of "whatever my parents taught me is right, because it just is". They want to hear about other ideas. They want to evaluate new possibilities and new views on a level playing field. This is why so many liberals become scientists: They're genuinely interested in testing out new ideas, theorizing about new things, and doing experiments to see how a novel approach compares to the current standard one. Conservatives, by contrast, already have decided their existing ideas are the best ones, so aren't necessarily all that interested in expanding their knowledge.

                            Because liberals are so inclined to want to interact with alternate ideas and alternate points of view, over time a liberal becomes pretty knowledgeable about what the various different points of view on a subject are, and the pros and cons of one over another. The liberals overall will be more knowledgeable about the range of possible policies than conservatives. The liberal is then in a very good position to make an informed and intelligent choice about what the best ideas are. They will assess and cross-compare different ways of doing things, evaluate the outcomes in different countries around the world, and pay close attention to the outcomes of policies they have implemented and be happy to change those policies if they're not working.

                            By contrast, the conservatives aren't very open to new ideas. They've got their political views from their family and their pastor and the propaganda they listen to, and they're sticking to them come what may.

                            That, in short, is why the liberals are nearly always right and the conservatives are nearly always wrong. Because the liberals know more, they're better informed, they understand how different political policies play out around the world, and because they treat the different views on an even playing-field rather than with innate prejudice they are able to make evidence-based choices as to what policies yield the best outcomes. The views of the liberals have been shaped by evidence and knowledge of the pros and cons of the various alternatives, whereas the views of the conservatives have been shaped by innate prejudice towards whatever they are familiar with and are characterized by bias and ignorance.
                            You only have to see how ideas successful in other countries are shut down simply because they're "socialist" to know that this is true.

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                            • #15
                              Excellent short video from the Fox commentator Greg Gutfield that justifies conservatives as bearing the burden of society and government so that liberals can be liberals. Quite alluring to be frank, but the truth is much more complex. He assumes that liberals need help because of their bad choices of which they are guilty for having taken the liberal path. In reality the "enemy", the "liberals" may indeed need help compulsorily taken from conservatives because they (the liberals, or at least those who benefit from liberalism even if conservative hate-mongering and fear-mongering fools them into voting conservative against their best interests) are involuntarily in need:
                              1. Age: Seniors (over 65 can't get jobs even if they are willing and able like me) and juniors (under 18 or under maybe 25 if they are qualified for college in fields that won't pay well but are needed by society.
                              2. Disabled by birth, upbringing, accident, illness, war, what have you
                              3. Unable to get work because of low IQ, inadequate education or education not available, stuck in areas out-of-fortune (like Rust Belt) but unable to move for family, financial, or disability reasons
                              4. Personality problems that aren't their fault, like honesty anathema to dishonest bosses, fearfulness that is compounded by harsh bosses, exuberance that is crushed by staid bosses
                              5. Compliance with programming, when the programming turns out to be wrong or out-of-date. Before entering or during progress of a career it turns out the school counselors, parents, pastors, whatever were wrong from being out-of-date or in their ivory tower dream worlds.
                              That already covers enough that could happen to ANYONE with a little bad luck or wrong decisions that could not be foreseen as damning one to failure.

                              But to get to a bigger point. This Prager University from Dennis Prager is the same or worse garbage that I faithfully listened to back about 2000 before I finally realized his head was up his..... I tested out the next interesting five-minute video in the series,
                              "Who Are the Racists: Conservatives or Liberals?" It was of course a Black (not fully Black-skinned, of course) who facilely and I suppose convincingly to many, spouted complete lies interspersed with half-truths and unfairness. Absolutely nothing was any good.
                              Last edited by Adam; 10-04-2015, 12:12 AM.
                              Near the Peoples' Republic of Davis, south of the State of Jefferson (Suspended between Left and Right)

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