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Belgium due to legalize euthanasia for all kids

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  • #31
    Looks like it means someone else making a choice on whether or not a person lives or dies. What if someone just felt the bill would be too much...
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Christy View Post
      What do you mean by this?
      Permanent vegetative state, pain level requires incapacitating drug load, brain dead.

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      • #33
        That's what it looked like he meant. I hope it wasn't though.

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        • #34
          Even if the person didn't want to have the plug pulled, or killed due to requiring too many drugs?

          ETA: I meant euthanized, even though they can't have a say in it from too many drugs causing them to be knocked out or in a vegetative state. I'm sorry, the first sentence didn't make any sense.
          Last edited by Christy; 02-13-2014, 01:51 AM.

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          • #35
            If they're brain dead, they're already dead...
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Christy View Post
              Even if the person didn't want to have the plug pulled, or killed due to requiring too many drugs?
              You folks don't want to pull the plug even if the patient does want it.

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              • #37
                "You folks?" You don't know anything about what I believe regarding this matter. This is a tough subject. Why did you evade the question?

                I do have a problem with people putting somebody down for being a burden. So there's that.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Christy View Post
                  "You folks?" You don't know anything about what I believe regarding this matter. This is a tough subject. Why did you evade the question?
                  Because no matter the answer, it will be wrong.

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                  • #39
                    We're not talking about pulling the plug! We're talking about active euthanasia!
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #40
                      No, if it was proven that somebody had said that they didn't want to live in a situation where there was no other alternative but living in excruciating pain, then it is their choice not to.

                      However, if somebody has wished to not be put down before getting that way, it is wrong for somebody else to come in and decide that they should die.
                      Last edited by Christy; 02-13-2014, 01:42 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Sorry. I should have worded it better.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Outis View Post
                          There is no difference.

                          What do you, ANY of you, know about another person's pain?
                          So is anybody else, what do we know of another's person pain? So is the pain subjective to the person experiencing it? When the pain subsides (even thought you may experience it again) is it considered bearable?

                          So by providing pain reducing drugs (like morphine) (or maybe coma induing drugs) there is no need to "euthanise".

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                          • #43
                            If you have higher constitution you can tolerate more pain that others. Do we have pain meter to determine the unbearable and bearable pain?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Pinoy View Post
                              If you have higher constitution you can tolerate more pain that others. Do we have pain meter to determine the unbearable and bearable pain?
                              The best I've seen is a series of smiley and frowny faces that the nurse shows you, and you pick which one best illustrates your level of discomfort.

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                slippery... meet slope.

                                Whenever someone objects to reasons against something as a "typical slippery slope argument" (as if that automatically means it somehow proves it wrong) all you gots to do is point at the Netherlands or Belgium.

                                Just tweak the law a bit here and there and pretty soon parents can "abort" their children as long as they are their legal guardians. After all, someone in so much suffering is probably not in a rational state of mind to make decisions about their own life, so it should be left up to the parents alone, eh?

                                "Ja, vonce ve bought our BMW convertible, ve could no longer afford to feed our little von. hunger is suffering. Zerefore ve vill euthanize him zu shtop de suffering because ve are loffingk parents!"
                                Last edited by Sparko; 02-13-2014, 07:49 AM.

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