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    This week in Kansas a Christian terrorist brought a bomb to an abortion clinic.

    Local KWCH reports the device was “active and set to go off.” The bomb was wrapped in a box sealed with tape. It was detonated off-site by the bomb squad.

    This clinic has been repeatedly targeted by Christian terrorists:
    1986 - firebombed
    1993 - shooting
    2009 - assassination of Dr Tiller
    ...and now:
    2015 - attempted bombing

    This seems to be just the latest in an ongoing spree of right-wing terrorism in the US that appears to be increasingly gaining attention:
    The growing right-wing terror threat
    Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11
    Right-wing terror groups are America’s gravest threat

    Under Bush, the DHS established a group to monitor the threat of right-wing terrorism. However, during the Obama administration, right-wing media groups portrayed this DHS group as having been set up by Obama to persecute them, and in response, Obama almost completely shut down the group. The assassination of Dr Tiller came shortly after that, done by very kind of right-wing extremists the DHS group had originally been set up to monitor. Since that time, right-wing and Christian terrorism in the US has been on the rise.
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  • #2
    Christian terrorism is an inflammatory misnomer.

    There are far more secular/political terrorists than ones mislabeled "Christian".


    From http://markhumphrys.com/left.right.violence.html
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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    • #3
      Your table of numbers is worldwide. Whereas within the US, right-wing Christian extremists kill the greatest numbers of people.

      Worldwide, yes, Islam is often very violent... and so is the US. In an international poll last year, people worldwide ranked the US as the single greatest threat to world peace. I believe the US is currently operating its 'drones', aka flying death machines capable of killing anyone there at any time without warning or trial, in eight different countries.

      This 13-Year-Old Is Scared When the Sky Is Blue Because of Our Drones.
      Making children in other countries scared of the sky... now that's true terrorism. Somehow I doubt the Americans who compiled your table bothered to include the terrorism their own Christian nation inflicts on others in their table.

      This estimate from 2009 suggested that over the previous 30 years, Americans had killed more than 30 Muslims for every American death at the hands of Muslims. I suspect that ratio has gotten even more lopsided in the time since then. Gee, I wonder who the bad guys are... must be those aggressive militaristic Muslims, right?
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Worldwide, yes, Islam is often very violent... and so is the US. In an international poll last year, people worldwide ranked the US as the single greatest threat to world peace. I believe the US is currently operating its 'drones', aka flying death machines capable of killing anyone there at any time without warning or trial, in eight different countries.
        This is probably because America is the most powerful nation in the world. Certainly military wise.

        This estimate from 2009 suggested that over the previous 30 years, Americans had killed more than 30 Muslims for every American death at the hands of Muslims. I suspect that ratio has gotten even more lopsided in the time since then. Gee, I wonder who the bad guys are... must be those aggressive militaristic Muslims, right?
        And this is probably because America have a more advanced military. I don't think it's down to the enemies "lack of trying" that this is the case.


        EDIT: Oh, and since you are arguing for all this will you concede that terrorist attacks from Muslim extremist groups are not down to their religion then, like you claimed in the other thread and it is actually down those groups having a grudge against America for the past actions that you have cited here.
        Last edited by Darth Ovious; 08-24-2015, 08:40 AM. Reason: Addition
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Your table of numbers is worldwide.
          Because Christianity (and terrorism for that matter) is not confined to the US.

          Whereas within the US, right-wing Christian extremists kill the greatest numbers of people.
          Extremists who claim Christianity. And others considered "right wing', such as neo-nazis and anti-government "sovereign citizens". It's pretty convenient to lump them together under "right wing Christian extremists", but when the numbers and ideologies are examined, we see no genuine Christianity involved. Like Bruce Jenner... someone can call themselves whatever they like, but that doesn't make them that thing.

          Worldwide, yes, Islam is often very violent...
          No more so than anarchists and extreme leftists.

          and so is the US.


          In an international poll last year, people worldwide ranked the US as the single greatest threat to world peace.
          Well, considering a very large part of the world believes in an ideology of the US being the "great satan", I am not surprised...

          I believe the US is currently operating its 'drones', aka flying death machines capable of killing anyone there at any time without warning or trial, in eight different countries.
          Did you find that out from Hilary Clinton's emails?


          My wife's nephew was in a tank in Iraq when a 7 year old boy walked up to his best friend's tank in front of him and detonated an IED that destroyed the tank and killed Roman's best friend right in front of his face. War is hell, and bad things happen. It's probably BECAUSE of our drones that that 13 year old isn't strapping up for a suicide mission or joining up to destroy historical sites and rape women... or why the Taliban hasn't captured and forced his sister into a child-bride marriage.


          Making children in other countries scared of the sky... now that's true terrorism.
          No, that's war. And if his country weren't so corrupt, and could handle their terrorists better, we wouldn't need to even be there.

          Somehow I doubt the Americans who compiled your table bothered to include the terrorism their own Christian nation inflicts on others in their table.
          He is Irish and atheist.

          This estimate from 2009 suggested that over the previous 30 years, Americans had killed more than 30 Muslims for every American death at the hands of Muslims. I suspect that ratio has gotten even more lopsided in the time since then. Gee, I wonder who the bad guys are... must be those aggressive militaristic Muslims, right?
          They sure are. And they purposefully use the innocent as human shields. Where was Osama Bin Laden holed up again? In a nice neighborhood filled with families and children...
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            Christian terrorism is an inflammatory misnomer.

            There are far more secular/political terrorists than ones mislabeled "Christian".


            From http://markhumphrys.com/left.right.violence.html
            One of the big problems is that several of the groups that keep track of political violence in the U.S., and who's statistics are uncritically used by numerous media outlets, exercise no consistency in compiling their statistics and often make unwarranted conclusions. For instance, one "expert" frequently cited by unabashedly liberal/progressive sources is Greg Correll who devised what he calls the "Right & Left Violence: Timeline" of which the following graphic has been attached on several websites.

            0000000000bgraph.jpg

            Aside from the fact that Correll does not assign political party (not all leftists are Democrats and not all right-wingers are Republicans), it has several significant problems. First, it assigns all racist attacks by whites to the "right" but does not assign a single racist attacks by blacks to the "left." Further every attack against Jews committed by a white person is automatically assigned to being committed by the right when in recent decades it has been the left that has become increasingly bigoted and intolerant toward Jews while the right -- specifically the religious right -- who has sought to embrace them as allies.

            Correll also lists a large number of violent attacks committed in recent years as having been done by people on the right when even the most cursory check reveals this is not the case. A few examples.
            • The 2014 Las Vegas shooting spree committed by Jerad and Amanda Miller in which 5 died are labelled as having been done by right-wingers who supported the Patriot movement but in reality they were leftist anti-government types heavily involved in the Occupy movement

            • The 2009 Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting committed by James Wenneker von Brunn a racist Holocaust denier. Must have been a right-winger right? Not exactly. He was anti-Christian (wrote of "the insane teachings of Jesus" and the "hoax" of Christianity), claimed 9/11 was an inside job, hated Republicans (especially Bush, McCain and anyone he thought was a "neo-con"), loathed Fox News and was a socialist[1]. Sounds like someone more likely employed by the current Administration than any sort of conservative
            • The 2015 Chapel Hill, North Carolina shootings committed by Craig Hicks was called an example of right wing terrorism in spite of the fact that the perpetrator was actually a a self-described “militant atheist” (his facebook page was loaded with photos, memes and posts that mocked Christianity) and who is a fan of MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, the websites "Mitt Romney Sucks" and "Organization for Educating Misinformed Tea Party Patriots" as well as the Southern Poverty Law Center (who IIRC was quick to call the shooting a "hate crime" since the victims were Muslim[2]) and various LGBT Ally groups. And definitely a pro-abortion supporter


            There are other examples but these ought to suffice to make the point.














            1. Albeit of a strange sort. He tried to distance his belief from Marxism and communism because those he declared were inspired by Jews who he despised. He explained his brand of socialism in a piece he called Kill the Best Gentiles:
            WESTERN SOCIALISM, unlike Marxism/Communism and Capitalism, emanates not from Reason alone but from the ETHOS OF THE WEST. It expresses the instinctive and Intuitive feelings UNIQUE to the Aryan Nation.

            2. Hicks Facebook page, which, as noted, constantly mocks Christianity, also repeatedly explicitly promotes freedom of religion for Muslims, including supporting the building of the "Ground Zero" Mosque in New York City.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Americans had killed more than 30 Muslims for every American death at the hands of Muslims.

              World wide - and without taking the nationalities of the victims into account - who would have inflicted the greater total of casualties?
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
              .
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              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • #8
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Where does the article in the OP say the man was a Christian? It doesn't as far as I can tell. It doesn't even give his name. Later news reports say that not only was he not planning on blowing up the clinic (the so-called bomb was some fireworks) he was actually there to apply for a job at the clinic.
                  http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/us/kan...device-arrest/


                  =======
                  And anyone can claim to be a Christian, it doesn't make them one. I can live in a garage and call myself a car if I want. A person who goes around murdering others is not a Christian, any more than Timothy McVeigh was a Christian despite claiming to be one.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    ... (the so-called bomb was some fireworks) ...
                    Did they say if the "explosive taped package" still had the Wal Mart receipt taped to it?
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Where does the article in the OP say the man was a Christian? It doesn't as far as I can tell. It doesn't even give his name. Later news reports say that not only was he not planning on blowing up the clinic (the so-called bomb was some fireworks) he was actually there to apply for a job at the clinic.
                      http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/us/kan...device-arrest/


                      =======
                      And anyone can claim to be a Christian, it doesn't make them one. I can live in a garage and call myself a car if I want. A person who goes around murdering others is not a Christian, any more than Timothy McVeigh was a Christian despite claiming to be one.
                      From the local news (KSN TV):

                      Source: Police: Man with explosive device had no anti-abortion aim


                      WICHITA, Kansas – Authorities have placed 20-year-old Moises R. Trevizo under arrest after he allegedly brought a small improvised explosive device into a women’s health care clinic Monday afternoon.

                      He was booked into the Sedgwick County Jail on charges of unlawful possession of an explosive.

                      Wichita Police Department spokesman Jame Espinoza says Trevizo was applying for a job.

                      Espinoza says on-site security inspected a backpack the man brought in and found knives and the explosive device in a pill bottle. Police say the man had just moved out of a house and everything he owned was in the backpack. He said a friend had made the device earlier.

                      Clinic staff evacuated the building, and a bomb squad was called to remove the backpack. No injuries were reported.

                      Espinoza says the police investigation “absolutely ruled out” any intent for anti-abortion violence.

                      The clinic is one of three in Kansas that provide abortions. It opened in 2013 in the same building where Dr. George Tiller provided abortions before he was gunned down in 2009.



                      Source

                      © Copyright Original Source


                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Where does the article in the OP say the man was a Christian? It doesn't as far as I can tell. It doesn't even give his name. Later news reports say that not only was he not planning on blowing up the clinic (the so-called bomb was some fireworks) he was actually there to apply for a job at the clinic.
                        http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/us/kan...device-arrest/


                        =======
                        And anyone can claim to be a Christian, it doesn't make them one. I can live in a garage and call myself a car if I want. A person who goes around murdering others is not a Christian, any more than Timothy McVeigh was a Christian despite claiming to be one.
                        Any Christian who commits violent acts is contradicting Christianity, so the term "Christian terrorist" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          From the local news (KSN TV):

                          Source: Police: Man with explosive device had no anti-abortion aim


                          WICHITA, Kansas – Authorities have placed 20-year-old Moises R. Trevizo under arrest after he allegedly brought a small improvised explosive device into a women’s health care clinic Monday afternoon.

                          He was booked into the Sedgwick County Jail on charges of unlawful possession of an explosive.

                          Wichita Police Department spokesman Jame Espinoza says Trevizo was applying for a job.

                          Espinoza says on-site security inspected a backpack the man brought in and found knives and the explosive device in a pill bottle. Police say the man had just moved out of a house and everything he owned was in the backpack. He said a friend had made the device earlier.

                          Clinic staff evacuated the building, and a bomb squad was called to remove the backpack. No injuries were reported.

                          Espinoza says the police investigation “absolutely ruled out” any intent for anti-abortion violence.

                          The clinic is one of three in Kansas that provide abortions. It opened in 2013 in the same building where Dr. George Tiller provided abortions before he was gunned down in 2009.



                          Source

                          © Copyright Original Source

                          Never let the truth get in the way of a good anti-Christian rant.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Well now THIS story will get plenty of coverage from the MSM.
                            Faith is not what we fall back to when reason isn't available. It's the conviction of what we have reason to believe. Greg Koukl

                            The loss of objectivity in moral thought does not lead to liberation. It leads to oppression. Secular ideologies preach liberty, but they practice tyranny. — Nancy Pearcey

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, its almost like someone tried to commit a terror attack and was stopped. I wonder if that'll interest Americans more than a series of discredited videos

                              1. It's, uhh, an actual crime
                              2. This is real news, not a propaganda campaign.
                              3. it's new

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