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Gay Scout Masters - Scouts No Longer Have to Be Morally Straight

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  • #31
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    So you think it would be a good idea to have 30 year old straight men showering with, and sleeping in tents with, 14 year old girls?
    I'm not quite sure what in your mind "showering with" entails. In 15 years of my participation in such a group, 100% of the time the shower cubicles were individual and there was no joint showers of any kind. Adults sleeping in tents with children has consisted of large tents with about 7 kids in each, each with one leader supervising them. More commonly the leaders preferred their own individual tents and to let the kids have large group tents.
    Last edited by Starlight; 07-27-2015, 06:24 PM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      It is, however, true that all the children molested by Catholic priests were molested by Christians.
      How do you know they were Christians? Anyway, most of them were gays molesting teens (IE: not pedos, just run of the mill gay rapists) so the fact that atheistards and liberals still bring this up as a point in favor of gay normalization crack me up.
      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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      • #33
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        And what do you have Jaecp? An ossified moral sense that countenance the killing of unborn babies and harvesting their body parts. You are in no position good sir to speak on moral issues with any authority or insight.
        You don't even begin to understand the moral framework of others and wish to lecture.

        Meh

        You have no response to my questions so, instead you go "well.... You believe in abortion!" As though that had anything to do with the paucity of your own arguments

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        • #34
          I was in the Boy Scouts for a long time and there is one misconception I'd like to deal with; they don't allow adults to shower with kids. (If they did I sure as heck wouldn't let any of my kids anywhere near the scouts.) At least at the well staffed camps, I think the bigger threat here is actually older Scouts showering with younger Scouts (there was a scout-on-scout sexual assault at the scout camp I went to). Of course, on smaller campouts involving just the one troop, it's possible the rules could get broken, but that could happen anywhere.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Jaecp View Post

            You have no response to my questions so, instead you go "well.... You believe in abortion!" As though that had anything to do with the paucity of your own arguments
            No it has everything to do with a man who has lost all his moral sense. How I could argue with someone who is ethically irrational? I might as well argue about the color red with a man who was blind from birth.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              No it has everything to do with a man who has lost all his moral sense. How I could argue with someone who is ethically irrational? I might as well argue about the color red with a man who was blind from birth.
              Irrelevant! I could be Satan Hitler Dahmer and it wouldn't improve your rhetoric in the slightest

              You don't have an answer. You choose to evade. That is your choice, but play not these little games.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                Irrelevant! I could be Satan Hitler Dahmer and it wouldn't improve your rhetoric in the slightest

                You don't have an answer. You choose to evade. That is your choice, but play not these little games.
                I'm not playing games - the fact that you don't see homosexual behavior as the evil that it is just confirms that you are morally delinquent. What else do I have to add?
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  I'm not playing games - the fact that you don't see homosexual behavior as the evil that it is just confirms that you are morally delinquent. What else do I have to add?
                  Anyone else, more compassionate than I, want to give me a hand explaining why simply asserting ones moral framework to be correct isn't an argument?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                    Anyone else, more compassionate than I, want to give me a hand explaining why simply asserting ones moral framework to be correct isn't an argument?
                    No, what will you do in the end but assert your moral framework? If you have something more than assertion then please enlighten us.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #40
                      Acceptance of homosexuality does not indicate general immorality. If you want people to accept conservative opinions on this issue as a permissible disagreement, you might want to start by taking the same approach to others. If you think this difference is so serious that those who disagree with you are completely immoral, you should not be surprised if the mainstream think the same about you, and act accordingly. It's called doing to others what you want them to do to you.
                      Last edited by hedrick; 07-27-2015, 08:30 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        the fact that you don't see homosexual behavior as the evil that it is
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          I was in the Boy Scouts for a long time and there is one misconception I'd like to deal with; they don't allow adults to shower with kids. (If they did I sure as heck wouldn't let any of my kids anywhere near the scouts.) At least at the well staffed camps, I think the bigger threat here is actually older Scouts showering with younger Scouts (there was a scout-on-scout sexual assault at the scout camp I went to). Of course, on smaller campouts involving just the one troop, it's possible the rules could get broken, but that could happen anywhere.
                          Seriously, that was such a bizarre objection being thrown around. What the heck was Boy Scouts like when the older commenters were growing up, if they think Scout leaders would ever be showering with kids or sleeping in the same tent?

                          I mean, I was technically just in Cub Scouts when I was a kid, but from what I remember, the scout leaders just led us in playing games, taught us how to tie a few stupid knots, helped us build a campfire, and gave us a bunch of popcorn to go sell. That was as close as they got. My troop also required everyone to watch a video explaining how to recognize and respond to sexual abuse.

                          So yeah, the argument against the rule change basically boils down to declaring that gay people are somehow incapable of being good people, or presuming that gay people are likelier to molest young boys...even though evidence indicates that the vast majority of pedophiles self-identify as predominantly or even exclusively heterosexual.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            How do you know they were Christians?
                            Because they were priests.
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            Anyway, most of them
                            "Most of them"? Where'd ya get that figure?
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            were gays molesting teens (IE: not pedos, just run of the mill gay rapists)
                            Um, they were Christians who diddled boys. That's by no means " run of the mill".

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by whag View Post
                              "Most of them"? Where'd ya get that figure?
                              For what it's worth, from a study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice:

                              The study listed the main characteristics of the sex abuse incidents reported. These included:
                              -- An overwhelming majority of the victims, 81 percent, were males. The most vulnerable were boys aged 11 to 14, representing more than 40 percent of the victims. This goes against the trend in the general U.S. society where the main problem is men abusing girls.
                              -- A majority of the victims were post-pubescent adolescents with a small percentage of the priests accused of abusing children who had not reached puberty.
                              -- Most of the accused committed a variety of sex acts involving serious sexual offenses.
                              -- The most frequent context for abuse was a social event and many priests socialized with the families of victims.
                              -- Abuses occurred in a variety of places with the most common being the residence of the priest.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by hedrick View Post
                                Acceptance of homosexuality does not indicate general immorality. If you want people to accept conservative opinions on this issue as a permissible disagreement, you might want to start by taking the same approach to others. If you think this difference is so serious that those who disagree with you are completely immoral, you should not be surprised if the mainstream think the same about you, and act accordingly. It's called doing to others what you want them to do to you.
                                I'm not sure what your point is. I think we are all immoral, of sinners I am chief. That however does not mean that we as a society should embrace immoral behavior or protect in under law.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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