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Gay Scout Masters - Scouts No Longer Have to Be Morally Straight

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
    Usually you at least try to make an argument, but this time all you got is a baseless assertion implying that homosexuality is the both obvious immoral and, at the same time, the single most immoral thing to the point where if it isn't immoral, then nothing is; including rape, murder, genocide and other possible crimes as being comparatively fine if homosexuality isn't immoral.
    Sin is sin - some sins have worse consequences, but it is still rebellion against God.

    I mean, surely you didn't think that your post, on its own, would be persuasive in any fashion? Right?
    Persuasive to a morally stunted atheist? No I didn't think it would be.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #17
      Sin is sin - some sins have worse consequences, but it is still rebellion against God.
      You said, "If homosexual behavior is not immoral then nothing is." I don't especially care about sin since it's not part of my moral framework. Morality is one thing, sin is another.

      Persuasive to a morally stunted atheist? No I didn't think it would be.
      What I am is immaterial, your argument was terrible.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        For now is key. Having been a Boy Scout at times you can be in pretty close quarters with a Scout Master - tents, showers and such. Who would think that it would be a good idea to put 30 year old man in a tent with a 14 year old girl.
        Or a 60 year old priest in a church with a 14 year old alter boy, or a 35 year old uncle in a house with a 14 year old nephew, or a 30 year old teacher at a school with a 14 year old student.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
          Or a 60 year old priest in a church with a 14 year old alter boy, or a 35 year old uncle in a house with a 14 year old nephew, or a 30 year old teacher at a school with a 14 year old student.
          Yeah, homosexuality is good stuff!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
            You said, "If homosexual behavior is not immoral then nothing is." I don't especially care about sin since it's not part of my moral framework.
            That's cause your moral compass isn't pointing to true north.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              For now is key. Having been a Boy Scout at times you can be in pretty close quarters with a Scout Master - tents, showers and such. Who would think that it would be a good idea to put 30 year old man in a tent with a 14 year old girl.
              Well far be it for actual evidence to inform your biased opinion...
              but here in New Zealand, all such organisations have been inclusive of gay people since at least 1994 when the Human Rights Act prohibited discrimination on grounds of sexuality. In the 20 years since then, the number of sexual abuse incidents has remained incredibly low, and has not skyrocketed. I participated in one such group for about 15 years, and I never once heard of any issues.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                That's cause your moral compass isn't pointing to true north.
                I do just fine with the twin pillars of harm and equity principles

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Yeah, homosexuality is good stuff!
                  It has nothing to do with homosexuality. It has to do with blanket forbiddance being impractical.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    Well far be it for actual evidence to inform your biased opinion...
                    but here in New Zealand, all such organisations have been inclusive of gay people since at least 1994 when the Human Rights Act prohibited discrimination on grounds of sexuality. In the 20 years since then, the number of sexual abuse incidents has remained incredibly low, and has not skyrocketed. I participated in one such group for about 15 years, and I never once heard of any issues.
                    They may be low but they are all done by homosexuals. Why add more homosexuals to the mix - it doesn't make sense.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                      You said, "If homosexual behavior is not immoral then nothing is." I don't especially care about sin since it's not part of my moral framework. Morality is one thing, sin is another.
                      Yes, but sin it is a part of my moral framework. And my point stands.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        They may be low but they are all done by homosexuals.
                        This is not true. You're making this up. Psychologists have consistently found that people who commit pedophilia have a particular sexual attraction to children, often of both sexes. They do not experience any particular attraction to people of the same sex as them in general, and are thus not homosexual.

                        It is, however, true that all the children molested by Catholic priests were molested by Christians. So we should probably ban Christians from being priests, right...? That's the sort of ridiculous conclusions your logic leads to.

                        Why add more homosexuals to the mix - it doesn't make sense.
                        You might as well say "people commit crimes, so why add more people to the mix?" Your point doesn't make sense.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          Yes, but sin it is a part of my moral framework. And my point stands.
                          Cool, so your argument reduces to something like "if one of my moral proscriptions isn't immoral then my entire moral framework falls apart"

                          At best your argument is a tautology

                          Huzzah (and your still talking past people, hence why I noted, correctly, that your argument wasn't persuasive)
                          Last edited by Jaecp; 07-27-2015, 06:04 PM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            This is not true. You're making this up. Psychologists have consistently found that people who commit pedophilia have a particular sexual attraction to children, often of both sexes. They do not experience any particular attraction to people of the same sex as them in general, and are thus not homosexual.
                            So you think it would be a good idea to have 30 year old straight men showering with, and sleeping in tents with, 14 year old girls?
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              So you think it would be a good idea to have 30 year old straight men showering with, and sleeping in tents with, 14 year old girls?
                              Of course he does. Who do you think he thinks should be having all of the abortions?
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                                Cool, so your argument reduces to something like "if one of my moral proscriptions isn't immoral then my entire moral framework falls apart"

                                At best your argument is a tautology
                                And what do you have Jaecp? An ossified moral sense that countenance the killing of unborn babies and harvesting their body parts. You are in no position good sir to speak on moral issues with any authority or insight.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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