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  • #46
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Nobody’s above the law, not even Christians despite their high sense of personal entitlements.
    You're forgetting that "religious freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they like... discrimination, segregation, slavery... religious freedom FTW! If someone thinks their religion allows it, that makes it okay. Being evil and nasty is fine if it's done for religious reasons, get with the program!
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      You're forgetting that "religious freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they like... discrimination, segregation, slavery... religious freedom
      ...which explains their hysteria when the courts don’t rule their way.

      FTW! If someone thinks their religion allows it, that makes it okay. Being evil and nasty is fine if it's done for religious reasons, get with the program!
      Interesting how often God’s Law coincides with their personal prejudices.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        You're forgetting that "religious freedom" gives them a blank check to do whatever they like... discrimination, segregation, slavery... religious freedom FTW! If someone thinks their religion allows it, that makes it okay. Being evil and nasty is fine if it's done for religious reasons, get with the program!

        The communists in Russia and China had a very similar outlook. Discrimination, segregation and slavery was fine - essential even - as means to bring about the 'worker's utopia'.

        Some modern-day secularists and 'social activists' seem to think that being evil and nasty is fine as a way to achieve the social harmony that secularism guarantees us.


        Maybe it's just a people thing. You and Tassman certainly aren't immune from it.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
          The communists in Russia and China had a very similar outlook. Discrimination, segregation and slavery was fine - essential even - as means to bring about the 'worker's utopia'.
          Yes they did and for the same reason as the “blank cheque" demanded by some Christians, namely the protection and enforcement of their ideological beliefs.

          Some modern-day secularists and 'social activists' seem to think that being evil and nasty is fine as a way to achieve the social harmony that secularism guarantees us.
          Secularism doesn't “guarantee social harmony”, but social harmony is more likely if no citizen is denied full and equal rights.

          The only "nastiness" in this instance comes from Christians demanding the "right" to discriminate against those they disagree with, even though this means not complying with the Civil Rights Act. This Act outlaws all discrimination based on race, colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or national origin in public accommodations which serve the public.

          Maybe it's just a people thing. You and Tassman certainly aren't immune from it.
          Whatever that's supposed to mean.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
            Baloney. These people had crosses in their place and still got into trouble for sticking to their convictions. And if it's true that the people who wanted a cake already knew that the owners of the shop were believers, why the heck did they go there?
            Perhaps because most believers are not hateful bigots who would refuse to serve them. Or is "belief" synonymous with "intolerance" now?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              Osteen is wrong. He also thinks that everybody will be saved. Friendly and liberal does not right make. It only means he is compromising his faith, and I use that term loosely with him and others like him, in order to be popular and make lots of money.
              So you are now rich and popular?
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              • #52
                Originally posted by whag View Post
                No, as a heterosexual, I would NOT be okay with it. Unless your services were amazing, I'l probably not frequent your establishment after seeing that (that's some persecution!). There is no rash of businesses being sued who quote the Bible on premises. Your implication was that it practically guarantees your being sued. You actually have much freedom to express your Christianity.





                Paranoid FOX News nonsense. Cases in which business owners are sued for saying Merry Christmas are so rare.



                Your average (non wedding-related) business would be weird to post Leviticus for no reason. But .....even assuming the liquor store/vacuum shop owner just decides to be that offensive, the chances of her being sued are slim. The resulting court case would be a slam dunk for the defendant whose speech is protected.

                Society doesn't act the way you say it acts. It's like we're living in two different worlds.
                Heck, In-N-Out, probably the best burger chain in the country, as Californian as you can get amd has bible stuff on practically everything they hand out.

                Doesn't stop their from being a 20 car line in the drive through whenever I stop by. So worth it

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                Hey, just in general @anyone I am, like suuuuper confused how a couple generic, curvy crosses on the wall of the establishment is supposed to tell people anything. Especially in oregon, of all places and in Gresham, which is a city that shares a border with Portland. This is just not a part of the country where people are going to expecting some Christian fundamentalist to freak out over gay people.

                Like, how many of you all have been to Portland?
                Last edited by Jaecp; 07-27-2015, 06:33 AM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                  Heck, In-N-Out, probably the best burger chain in the country, as Californian as you can get amd has bible stuff on practically everything they hand out.

                  Doesn't stop their from being a 20 car line in the drive through whenever I stop by. So worth it
                  That's the point. Even WE have no problem frequenting establishments that quote the bible. Imagine how many homosexuals eat at In N Out and haven't sued them for seeing those verses.

                  Mossy and Adrift live in a concocted, dangerous world where quoting the bible in a business invites a SWAT team raid.

                  Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                  Hey, just in general @anyone I am, like suuuuper confused how a couple generic, curvy crosses on the wall of the establishment is supposed to tell people anything. Especially in oregon, of all places and in Gresham, which is a city that shares a border with Portland. This is just not a part of the country where people are going to expecting some Christian fundamentalist to freak out over gay people.

                  Like, how many of you all have been to Portland?
                  Even Ozzy Osbourne decorates his den with crucifixes. Feminine crosses are no obvious indicator that you won't make a cake for a same sex wedding--especially in Portland.

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                  • #54
                    Yep, and it's not as though people gloss over the verses. I was kind of confused when I first saw them in a "huh, why is this here" kind of way since I was a kid growing up in Sacramento and still religious, but even now it doesn't bother me, plus their Christian value are actually represented in the way they do business. They have the highest starting wage (by faaaaar) of any fast food in the country.

                    For reference, and this is a just something I snagged from the net.

                    The soda cup bears the notation John 3:16:
                    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

                    The milkshake cup lists Proverbs 3:5:
                    Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

                    The water cup (no longer available to customers but we're told still used by employees) bears John 14:6:
                    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

                    The hamburger and cheeseburger wrappers point to Revelation 3:20:
                    Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

                    The wrap used for the "Double-Double" (two burger patties and two slices of cheese) lists Nahum 1:7:
                    The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

                    The French fry holder lists Proverbs 24:16:
                    For though a righteous man falls seven times, he rises again, but the wicked are brought down by calamity.
                    Not only does this restaurant this restaurant chain have Christian ownership, plaster their food with actual bible verses, but they actually live by those standards in a way that raises up themselves and others around them

                    It's just very positive. Plenty of people in the "godless liberal" northwest would love for the most Christian restaurant chain in America to come to town. Especially in Portland.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      Perhaps because most believers are not hateful bigots who would refuse to serve them. Or is "belief" synonymous with "intolerance" now?

                      Roy
                      No. Belief is synonymous with following God and obeying HIS commands instead of caving in to whatever the culture says is ok. The only intolerance comes from those who are trying to shove THEIR beliefs down our throats, their lifestyles in our faces, and taking us to court over their civil rights being "trampled" on and not caring about the civil rights of the believer.


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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Roy View Post
                        So you are now rich and popular?

                        You misread my statement. Try again.


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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          No. Belief is synonymous with following God and obeying HIS commands instead of caving in to whatever the culture says is ok. The only intolerance comes from those who are trying to shove THEIR beliefs down our throats, their lifestyles in our faces, and taking us to court over their civil rights being "trampled" on and not caring about the civil rights of the believer.
                          The couple was not shoving their beliefs down anyones throat.

                          They were trying to buy a cake.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                            The couple was not shoving their beliefs down anyones throat.

                            They were trying to buy a cake.
                            And what did they do when they were told they weren't going to be sold one?


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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                              And what did they do when they were told they weren't going to be sold one?
                              They didn't take anyone to court, as you claimed, but instead file a complaint with the states non-discrimination office.

                              The Kleins then published their information publicly and summoned a media firestorm. This is commonly known as "getting doxxed"

                              More information can be found in local media coverage http://www.oregonlive.com/business/i..._cakes_by.html

                              In any case, this isn't a matter of a Lesbian couple trying to force their beliefs down anyones throat. They had no idea that there would be a problem buying the cake and, after being discriminated against, they did what citizens do when there has been discrimination. File paperwork with the body that handles it. The insanity that then followed was then the result of the Kleins making everything public

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                                And what did they do when they were told they weren't going to be sold one?
                                Read the interview. When the mother came back to express her feelings to baker, the baker quoted Leviticus. Combined with the fact that the lesbian couple only dealt with the friendlier baker, this was unexpected and provocative. That led to the complaint.

                                All of this could have been avoided had the bakery made it clear they were fundamentalists who don't bake cake for gay weddings.

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