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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Apologist noted. Do all lives matter or not? Is it EVER appropriate to boo someone for declaring that all lives matter? No it is not.
    Context matters. In the context, saying "white lives matter, all lives matter" right after saying "black lives matter" was an implicit denial that black people suffer systemic racial injustice in modern America.

    It would be like during the slavery era when challenged to speak on slavery saying "the lives of the black slaves matter, oh but also the lives of the white slave-owners matter and we should consider them equally". But when one group is not being treated equally and is being actively oppressed by another group, trying to be neutral misses the point and comes across as unsympathetic to the suffering of the oppressed.

    Mouthing vague and generic platitudes to try and please everyone in typical politician fashion while doing nothing about the problem is equally problematic. And that's what the group was booing here. They wanted some very specific things said and addressed, and frankly I think both candidates were silly not to say those specific things and address those specific things and instead go the route of trying to mouth some vague platitudes in order to try and be politically acceptable to everyone.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
      That O'Malley, as governor of Maryland, had some role in feeding the situation in Baltimore may have some role in the vehemence of the protests (I remember hearing about something specific he'd done, policy-wise, but can't recall off-hand what it was). Basically, O'Malley needs to do even more than most to prove his bona fides on race issues, since it's evident to many in the black community that he really didn't understand or care for them while he was in office.
      Agreed.

      Whereas Sanders, who equally dropped the ball at the event in a different way, had the opposite problem. He seemed to think that everyone there should magically know that he has a rating of 100% from the NAACP, that he attended MLK's march on Washington, and that he has spent 50 years advocating for civil rights, so he didn't talk about those things apparently under the assumption that he could rest on those laurels without actively addressing the points the protesters wanted to see addressed.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Context matters. In the context, saying "white lives matter, all lives matter" right after saying "black lives matter" was an implicit denial that black people suffer systemic racial injustice in modern America.
        No it isn't. It is a reminder that blacks are not the only ones who matter. It is a call to wake up and get over their racism that they are the only ones who ever get the short end of the stick. It is a call to look beyond themselves and to their fellow man regardless of their color. It is a call for true equality.

        It would be like during the slavery era when challenged to speak on slavery saying "the lives of the black slaves matter, oh but also the lives of the white slave-owners matter and we should consider them equally".
        Because everyone who wasn't a black slave was a white slave owner...

        But when one group is not being treated equally and is being actively oppressed by another group, trying to be neutral misses the point and comes across as unsympathetic to the suffering of the oppressed.
        No it doesn't. It seeks to transcend short sighted race baiting and force people to see that EVERYONE matters.

        Mouthing vague and generic platitudes to try and please everyone in typical politician fashion while doing nothing about the problem is equally problematic. And that's what the group was booing here. They wanted some very specific things said and addressed, and frankly I think both candidates were silly not to say those specific things and address those specific things and instead go the route of trying to mouth some vague platitudes in order to try and be politically acceptable to everyone.[/QUOTE]
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          Apologist noted. Do all lives matter or not? Is it EVER appropriate to boo someone for declaring that all lives matter? No it is not.
          The "all lives matter" mantra was specifically picked by counter-protesters to be used against the "black lives matter" drivel, so it's not hard to see why they'd start booing,
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Context matters. In the context, saying "white lives matter, all lives matter" right after saying "black lives matter" was an implicit denial that black people suffer systemic racial injustice in modern America.
            It makes little sense to believe that about a guy running for president as a Democrat. More likely that the protesters are too stupid to tell the difference between someone using the phrase to counter their systemic racial injustice fable and someone who's on their side.
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              It is a call to wake up and get over their racism that they are the only ones who ever get the short end of the stick.
              Right, which is basically an insulting way to lie to them. How many unarmed white people fleeing from police have been gunned down lately...?

              When a white person has a gun in America, the 2nd amendment applies and "stand your ground" applies. They can take their gun anywhere including airports, and kill black people with them, and often get away with doing both.

              When a black person is suspected of having a gun in America, they get shot to death by police. Even if they're a child. Even if they're running away. Even if they're naked.

              It's not a level playing field, and a failure to recognize that is a slap in the face to Black Americans, which is what upset the protesters at the conference.
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              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                When a white person has a gun in America, the 2nd amendment applies and "stand your ground" applies. They can take their gun anywhere including airports, and kill black people with them, and often get away with doing both.
                White people have quite a bit of catching up to do because black people are more likely to kill white people than the other way around even though it would be the other way around in a 0 racist society considering the black population is 5-6 times smaller than the white one.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Right, which is basically an insulting way to lie to them. How many unarmed white people fleeing from police have been gunned down lately...?
                  http://www.thefederalistpapers.org/u...ce-than-blacks


                  When a white person has a gun in America, the 2nd amendment applies and "stand your ground" applies. They can take their gun anywhere including airports, and kill black people with them, and often get away with doing both.
                  Oscar Meyer wants its bologna back...

                  When a black person is suspected of having a gun in America, they get shot to death by police. Even if they're a child. Even if they're running away. Even if they're naked.
                  Extremely isolated incidents, and much more to the stories than your reductionist summary.

                  It's not a level playing field, and a failure to recognize that is a slap in the face to Black Americans, which is what upset the protesters at the conference.
                  It is too a level playing field. The problem is that the facts show that blacks are far more likely to be the perpetrator of violent crimes, and the cops must respond based on probability and threat assessments. There are isolated incidents where cops overreact and tragic results happen, but there simply is not any systematic attempt to inflate the facts, despite the blatant racist Holder's proclamation.

                  All lives matter, and the booing by the protesters at the Dem rally just shows how blinded by racism the protesters really are.
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                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    "All lives matter" is a derived motto of "Black lives matter" which seeks to annul the meaning if the latter, that black Americans are at significantly higher risk of systematic violence by police, with a nice-sounding phrase that destroys the context.

                    So, yeah. Boo.
                    All lives matter. No need to single out a group. But in truth, if black lives truly mattered there would be a greater effort to diminish the astounding number of abortions preformed in the black community. The most dangerous place for a black baby today is in his/her mother's womb.

                    There would be a greater effort by democratic run cities to deal with the poverty that's existed in those cities for multiple years. See Detroit for a perfect example. The slogan "black lives matter" is totally political and has zero meaning in the real world. If black lives truly matters to democrats, Detroit wouldn't exist as it does today.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I was quite surprised that he got booed for saying "all lives matter" but then again remember how the mention of God got booed at the Democratic National Convention in 2012 and the chanting of "Hail Satan" by pro-abortion advocates in Houston in 2013.
                      In Houston? I know of Austin.....
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                        Dude, stop with the click-bait thread titles and please write them so they indicate the content of the thread.
                        Stop clicking when you aren't sure.

                        Seriously, if you know how he writes titles and you don't like it, why the heck do you keep derailing his threads over the danged title? Ditto, Chrawn, Spart, FM - it's getting old guys. Use the roll over if you're curious and decide if you want to respond that way. You are not the title police, guys.

                        And actually, this time, he has a point. What kind of context can make it okay to boo against 'all lives matter'?
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Right, which is basically an insulting way to lie to them. How many unarmed white people fleeing from police have been gunned down lately...?
                          Everyone knows a black person killed is more likely than any white person being shot to make the news.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by CMD View Post
                            I think Martin O'Malley is actually a Republican. If you open your official Republican Party Manual, 2015 Edition to Section 7 ("Racist Dog Whistles, Decoded"), you'll that see the phrase "all lives matter" is right there on the very first page (entry #9, right before "Chicago").

                            It translates to "white lives are the only lives that matter, also I can't find my hood and robe and I have a klan meeting in like twenty minutes, can somebody lend me theirs? I'll make sure it's as clean and pure as the superior White Race before I return it, I swear."
                            I've always liked the expression "racist dog whistle." The claim is that it uses coded language only detectable by racists sort of like how only dogs can hear a dog whistle. The truly revealing part is the huge number of liberals that can readily detect this "dog whistle" that only racists can perceive.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              In Houston? I know of Austin.....
                              Sorry. I was thinking Austin but wrote Houston.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                I've always liked the expression "racist dog whistle." The claim is that it uses coded language only detectable by racists sort of like how only dogs can hear a dog whistle. The truly revealing part is the huge number of liberals that can readily detect this "dog whistle" that only racists can perceive.


                                How can one phrase be so wrong on so many levels at one time?
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