I think adultery should be illegal

[Catholicity]

I don't think you can make Adultery "illegal" so to speak and at most it would be able to be punishable fine as opposed to jail time. However homosexuality can be just as destructive to families as can "swinging" I don't think making it illegal is a good idea. As for the "no fault divorce... I don't think those who are against it have seen people who have to use it. In theory I'm sure your right. Practically speaking, I doubt it.

[Starlight]

I don't think you can make Adultery "illegal" so to speak and at most it would be able to be punishable fine as opposed to jail time. However homosexuality can be just as destructive to families as can "swinging"

Please be more careful with your words. Various Christians have said some pretty awful and ludicrously nasty things about gay people in recent decades, so a bit of care for carefully chosen words is necessary when speaking on such issues, and your comment's a bit ambiguous and could easily be misinterpreted as being in that vein. I'm pretty sure, however, that the married lesbian couple down the road doesn't go around destroying people's families.

What I think you might have meant, is that adultery committed with someone of the same sex is just as bad as adultery committed with someone of the opposite sex, and just as bad as if the adultery was consensual and participated in by both partners. In which case you could have phrased it "having a homosexual affair can be just as destructive to families". The problem with the original phrasing is that the word "homosexuality" can refer to both gay people and the behavior, and can easily be (mis)read as a statement equivalent to "Christians can be just as destructive to families".

[Irate Canadian]

Please be more careful with your words. Various Christians have said some pretty awful and ludicrously nasty things about gay people in recent decades, so a bit of care for carefully chosen words is necessary when speaking on such issues, and your comment's a bit ambiguous and could easily be misinterpreted as being in that vein. I'm pretty sure, however, that the married lesbian couple down the road doesn't go around destroying people's families.

What I think you might have meant, is that adultery committed with someone of the same sex is just as bad as adultery committed with someone of the opposite sex, and just as bad as if the adultery was consensual and participated in by both partners. In which case you could have phrased it "having a homosexual affair can be just as destructive to families". The problem with the original phrasing is that the word "homosexuality" can refer to both gay people and the behavior, and can easily be (mis)read as a statement equivalent to "Christians can be just as destructive to families".

Dude, she means that homosexuality isn't doing any favours for humanity in a CHristian perspective.

[Starlight]

Dude, she means that homosexuality isn't doing any favours for humanity in a Christian perspective.

Huh? You think it was really intended as a horrible anti-gay comment? And believing that, you amen'd the post?!?

[lilpixieofterror]

There's no indication the second portion of the sentence doesn't includes the US.

He has already said, on at least one occasion, that he wouldn't visit the US due to 'not feeling safe'. You are aware of that, right?

[lilpixieofterror]

LPOT, to repeat myself, the vast majority of people living in the US will not be assaulted or robbed in their entire lives... hence my surprise upon reading I.C.'s post implying that it's common in Canada, which led me to wonder if maybe it is much more common in Canada or the US than it is here, but it's really not much more common at all.

He never implied it was common and you're the one that has said, on more than a few occasions, that you would not feel safe in the US due to 'high crime rates'. Do you deny saying that or not?

Incidentally the methodology I used to approximate lifetime occurrence rates from the raw data will be overestimating the higher numbers somewhat. And trying to compare the crime statistics of different countries against each other (as opposed to just saying "these are all low" like I did) gets problematic fast because countries often define crime categories slightly differently, and cultural factors will heavily affect the rates of reporting of certain types of crime (eg rape). In terms of violent crime and theft, the only category the US really stands out on is that it has 2-5 times the homicide rate of other first-world countries, but obviously the homicide rate is pretty small in almost every country.

And this has already been dealt with and you have ignored the reasons why. Do other first world countries, have a neighbor with lots of violence and an active reason to export their violence to another country (IE the drug trade)? See, it is stuff like this, that shows that you can't think your way out of a paper bag. You can't just cite stats and call it good; you got to dive into the reasons behind why something is the way it is and there's all sort of factors as to why something is the way it is.

[Irate Canadian]

Huh? You think it was really intended as a horrible anti-gay comment? And believing that, you amen'd the post?!?

Erm, yeah, it's basic reading comprehension. And personally, while I disagree with homosexuality as a life choice, they can do whatever the hell they want, besides forcing themselves to marry in my church.

[Starlight]

Erm, yeah, it's basic reading comprehension.

So, wait, you actually think homosexuality "destroys families"?!?

And personally, while I disagree with homosexuality as a life choice, they can do whatever the hell they want, besides forcing themselves to marry in my church.

Er, if they happen to be members of the church, they probably see you as the one forcing them to not get married in their church.

[Irate Canadian]

So, wait, you actually think homosexuality "destroys families"?!?

I wouldn't say destroy, I would say it's brings about strife between family members.

Er, if they happen to be members of the church, they probably see you as the one forcing them to not get married in their church.

Er, to be a member of a Church is to follow its rules and regulations. If they don't want homosexual marriage, then it's their prerogative.

[Starlight]

I wouldn't say destroy, I would say it's brings about strife between family members.

Er, do you mean, for example, if the parents are zealous Christians who are anti-gay and they throw their child out of their home after their child tells them he's gay? And in such an instance, you're wanting to blame the child and his homosexuality, rather than, say, the parents and their overzealous and judgmental version of Christianity?

Er, to be a member of a Church is to follow its rules and regulations.

I have never believed that membership in any organisation involves blind adherence to 100% of its values and rules and a lack of critical thinking regarding the possibility of potentially changing a couple of those rules. Obviously, if everyone did that, no organisation would ever change any rule because all members would be fully committed to all existing rules and be totally against all changes to them. Rather I see membership of any group as being about general agreement with its basic purpose and core values.

[Darth Executor]

Er, do you mean, for example, if the parents are zealous Christians who are anti-gay and they throw their child out of their home after their child tells them he's gay?

More like the kid runs away because his evil Christofascist parents won't approve of his bathhouse trists and then lies and tells everyone he was kicked out. After spending 10 years getting aids and living off prostituting himself some nutjob progressive shrink (but I repeat myself) comes along and uses his testimony as evidence of how normal homosexuality is and how it's Christians' fault he has 1000 average lifetime partners and died of aids.

[Sea of red]

More like the kid runs away because his evil Christofascist parents won't approve of his bathhouse trists and then lies and tells everyone he was kicked out. After spending 10 years getting aids and living off prostituting himself some nutjob progressive shrink (but I repeat myself) comes along and uses his testimony as evidence of how normal homosexuality is and how it's Christians' fault he has 1000 average lifetime partners and died of aids.

I know you're trying to be controversial and get a rise out of people like me, but all you're really doing is showing what a waste of human life you are.

[Darth Executor]

I know you're trying to be controversial and get a rise out of people like me, but all you're really doing is showing what a waste of human life you are.

Nope, you slandering scumbags have been repeating the same manufactured BS for years. I just refuse to submit to it, which is, thankfully, causing you considerable distress. And I'm happy to inflict it.

[Irate Canadian]

Er, do you mean, for example, if the parents are zealous Christians who are anti-gay and they throw their child out of their home after their child tells them he's gay? And in such an instance, you're wanting to blame the child and his homosexuality, rather than, say, the parents and their overzealous and judgmental version of Christianity?

No, I was just trying to say that personal choices that go against what your parents teach will probably leave to strife within the house.

I have never believed that membership in any organisation involves blind adherence to 100% of its values and rules and a lack of critical thinking regarding the possibility of potentially changing a couple of those rules. Obviously, if everyone did that, no organisation would ever change any rule because all members would be fully committed to all existing rules and be totally against all changes to them. Rather I see membership of any group as being about general agreement with its basic purpose and core values.

Let me rephrase that: a church is made out of people who admit their sin to Christ and try to move past their sins.

[Sea of red]

Nope, you slandering scumbags have been repeating the same manufactured BS for years. I just refuse to submit to it, which is, thankfully, causing you considerable distress. And I'm happy to inflict it.

No, it doesn't bother me at all, you're just human garbage giving Christianity a bad name.