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  • #91
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    The question is why is this other race doing so well? And why isn't the black race? Has white privilege prevented Asians from getting ahead?
    It's almost as though hundreds of years of brutal oppression has had a lasting effect.

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    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • #92
      Originally posted by jaecp View Post
      oh, age based insults, be still my broken heart.
      qed
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #93
        And Asians didn't face a high degree of oppression? So how does this oppression of the past actually effect a young black man today? If he works hard, and keeps his nose clean, and gets a decent education can't he make a good life for himself?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #94
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          And Asians didn't face a high degree of oppression? So how does this oppression of the past actually effect a young black man today? If he works hard, and keeps his nose clean, and gets a decent education can't he make a good life for himself?
          Or become President?
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #95
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            And Asians didn't face a high degree of oppression? So how does this oppression of the past actually effect a young black man today? If he works hard, and keeps his nose clean, and gets a decent education can't he make a good life for himself?
            While the oppression and discrimination has become less brutal, it hasn't stopped, as is evident to anyone actually looking at various criminal and civil policies. Black Americans, as a population, are still suffering the generational effects of discrimination and oppression, as well as often personally suffering the current effects of discrimination. You attempt to switch between the population and whether a given individual, absent any context of personal or systematic discrimination, can reliably achieve success.
            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
              Or become President?
              As with seer's argument, this is an example of the fallacy of composition, or invalidly inferring that something is true of the whole (population) because of one of its parts (individual).
              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Sam View Post
                While the oppression and discrimination has become less brutal, it hasn't stopped, as is evident to anyone actually looking at various criminal and civil policies. Black Americans, as a population, are still suffering the generational effects of discrimination and oppression, as well as often personally suffering the current effects of discrimination. You attempt to switch between the population and whether a given individual, absent any context of personal or systematic discrimination, can reliably achieve success.
                Really? Ya think that a 70% out of wedlock birth rate has something to do with their present problems? See I don't get it, I grew up with a number of black guys in my neighborhood in the 50s and 60s. They all had intact families, they all did as well in school, and all did well in life. One even became an appellate court judge in California.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Really? Ya think that a 70% out of wedlock birth rate has something to do with their present problems? See I don't get it, I grew up with a number of black guys in my neighborhood in the 50s and 60s. They all had intact families, they all did as well in school, and all did well in life. One even became an appellate court judge in California.
                  So look at the social and criminal policies that create and exacerbate broken homes in the population, including pervasive discrimination, welfare policies that disincentivized whole family units and criminal policies that incarcerate black males at a highly disproportionate rate to the actual crimes committed by race.
                  "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    So look at the social and criminal policies that create and exacerbate broken homes in the population, including pervasive discrimination, welfare policies that disincentivized whole family units and criminal policies that incarcerate black males at a highly disproportionate rate to the actual crimes committed by race.
                    Sam, I agree about the welfare policies, but out of wedlock birth rates and fatherless homes were much, much less prevalent back in the 40s and 50s. So you can't blame that on society - things were much worse back then. And don't know how disproportionate incarceration rates are, black males do commit more crimes by percentage. After all you don't see drive by shootings in poor white neighborhoods.

                    Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
                    When Blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-Blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
                    Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the White rate.
                    The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is Black and Hispanic.
                    Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving Blacks and Whites, Blacks commit 85 percent and Whites commit 15 percent.
                    Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are Black, and 10 percent are Hispanic.

                    Whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are Black.
                    Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a White than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
                    Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.
                    Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
                    Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
                    Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
                    Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than Whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.
                    http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/...of-crime-2005/
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post
                      Sam, I agree about the welfare policies, but out of wedlock birth rates and fatherless homes were much, much less prevalent back in the 40s and 50s. So you can't blame that on society - things were much worse back then. And don't know how disproportionate incarceration rates are, black males do commit more crimes by percentage. After all you don't see drive by shootings in poor white neighborhoods.



                      http://www.colorofcrime.com/2005/10/...of-crime-2005/
                      So we're block-quoting from white supremacist web sites now?

                      Good heavens, seer.
                      "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                      • Just remember that every time you disagree with him, he's secretly doubtful of the strength of your convictions.

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                        • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                          So we're block-quoting from white supremacist web sites now?

                          Good heavens, seer.
                          Well they do reference the actual stats. Are you denying that blacks engage in a higher rate of violent crime than whites by percentage of the population? Perhaps that is one reason they have disproportionate incarceration rates.

                          According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most homicides were intraracial, with 84% of white victims killed by whites, and 93% of black victims killed by blacks.

                          The "National Youth Gang Survey Analysis" (2011) state that of gang members, 46% are Hispanic/Latino, 35% are African-American/black, 11.5% are white, and 7% are other race/ethnicity.[36]

                          According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness.

                          According to the National Crime Victimization Survey in 2002, the black arrest rate for robbery was 8.55 times higher than whites, and blacks were 16 times more likely to be incarcerated for robbery than non-Hispanic whites. Robberies with white victims and black offenders were more than 12 times more common than the reverse.
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Well they do reference the actual stats. Are you denying that blacks engage in a higher rate of violent crime than whites by percentage of the population? Perhaps that is one reason they have disproportionate incarceration rates.



                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a..._United_States
                            The black population, when one controls for poverty, is no more probe to criminality than the general population. We do know that back individuals are far more likely to be more heavily policed, more likely to be arrested for a given crime, and more likely to be convicted and receive harsher sentences.

                            You go from arguing that black individuals are more likely to commit crimes to citing the higher likelihood that black individuals will be prosecuted for crimes. Anyone familiar with the horribly disproportionate justice systems that discriminate against the black population will see the artless bait and switch. Someone citing white supremacy sites probably isn't likely to even realize it himself, unfortunately.
                            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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                            • Originally posted by Sam View Post
                              The black population, when one controls for poverty, is no more probe to criminality than the general population. We do know that back individuals are far more likely to be more heavily policed, more likely to be arrested for a given crime, and more likely to be convicted and receive harsher sentences.
                              Well they are more policed probably because these inner city areas have higher crime rates overall. But the fact remains that their higher incarceration rates probably have a lot to do with their higher rates of violent crimes. And you just don't find these high rates of murder, robbery or gang membership in poor white neighborhoods.

                              You go from arguing that black individuals are more likely to commit crimes to citing the higher likelihood that black individuals will be prosecuted for crimes. Anyone familiar with the horribly disproportionate justice systems that discriminate against the black population will see the artless bait and switch. Someone citing white supremacy sites probably isn't likely to even realize it himself, unfortunately.
                              Nonsense Sam, The Wiki link basically said and cited what my first link said and cited. This is not bait and switch - it is fact. There is something really wrong in that culture, and it isn't caused by society - it is about the destruction of the black family.
                              Last edited by seer; 07-13-2015, 10:44 AM.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                                There is something really wrong in that culture, and it isn't caused by society - it is about the destruction of the black family.
                                The idea that black fathers are overwhelmingly absent and neglectful is an exaggerated myth:

                                Black fathers (70%) were most likely to have bathed, dressed, diapered, or helped their children use the toilet every day compared with white (60%) and Hispanic fathers (45%).


                                And from that same study (page 14, if the image is too small for you):
                                fatherhood stats.jpg

                                Statistically speaking, black men are less likely to be married to the mothers of their children, but they are not really less likely to be involved with their children. In many cases, they do in fact live with and apparently get along well with their children, but simply in a cohabitation situation instead of marriage.
                                Last edited by fm93; 07-13-2015, 11:56 AM.
                                Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

                                I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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