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  • #76
    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    We have it in Denmark, it works fine over here. I've always wondered why it couldn't be implemented over in your country. Our system is different from yours of course, and its not ideal, but people are very happy with it.
    We have crookeder politicians?
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #77
      I look forward to you voting for a Democrat next election, then, CP, because we won't be getting truly universal healthcare from the Republicans

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        We have crookeder politicians?
        Not acting smartalacky either, there's probably good reasons why it won't work in America, but it sometimes puzzles me when I see people universally declaring that something that's been running for several decades in my country, during a time of growth, is unsustainable.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
          I look forward to you voting for a Democrat next election, then, CP,
          That's just dumb. I mean Mickiel dumb! I'll vote for whatever candidate I believe represents the best for our nation.

          because we won't be getting truly universal healthcare from the Republicans
          I'm not a "I want stuff" voter.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I'm not a "I want stuff" voter.
            It's that mentality (or more accurately, that mentality concerning others' motives), more than anything, that makes the social safety net ('cepting Medicare) an uphill climb in the US.
            "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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            • #81
              Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?

              Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                Not acting smartalacky either, there's probably good reasons why it won't work in America, but it sometimes puzzles me when I see people universally declaring that something that's been running for several decades in my country, during a time of growth, is unsustainable.
                Read the first couple chapters of "The Audacity of Hope"

                President Obama, back in 2006 notes some things about the politicizing of issues that, in prior decades, could be worked through. Basically, now that we've gotten to the point everything is politicized people will die on the hill of keeping access to medical treatment tied completely to your financial power when, even within the context of their other beliefs, such a thing makes no sense to fight against.

                The reason he gives for this, a brief overview of the late 80's and the 90's, is pretty nifty.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                  Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?
                  Some of us are grown up enough to realize that what we want isn't necessarily what's best for the country.

                  Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam
                  Are you 12?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sam View Post
                    It's that mentality (or more accurately, that mentality concerning others' motives), more than anything, that makes the social safety net ('cepting Medicare) an uphill climb in the US.
                    Perhaps Jaecp will share some of his jam with you.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Jaecp View Post
                      Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?

                      Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam
                      As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:
                      "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:
                        "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
                        The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. is the Republican party.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:
                          "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
                          I was going to quote that but now I needn't.
                          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by JimL View Post
                            The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. is the Republican party.
                            The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. isare the Republican Republicrats party.
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:
                              "A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
                              Well history proved him embarrassingly wrong.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #90
                                Yeah, like, wasn't he writing about the US? And really wrong?

                                What's the deal with citing foreign nationals who are bashing our entire form of government when you guys think it'll help you out?

                                Nevermind the fact that "want things" and "wants tangible, physical goods and services paid for without an accompaniment of levied taxes" are two very different things

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