The Donald and Crazy Bernie

[Cow Poke]

We have it in Denmark, it works fine over here. I've always wondered why it couldn't be implemented over in your country. Our system is different from yours of course, and its not ideal, but people are very happy with it.

We have crookeder politicians?

[Jaecp]

I look forward to you voting for a Democrat next election, then, CP, because we won't be getting truly universal healthcare from the Republicans

[Leonhard]

We have crookeder politicians?

Not acting smartalacky either, there's probably good reasons why it won't work in America, but it sometimes puzzles me when I see people universally declaring that something that's been running for several decades in my country, during a time of growth, is unsustainable.

[Cow Poke]

I look forward to you voting for a Democrat next election, then, CP,

That's just dumb. I mean Mickiel dumb! I'll vote for whatever candidate I believe represents the best for our nation.

because we won't be getting truly universal healthcare from the Republicans

I'm not a "I want stuff" voter.

[Sam]

I'm not a "I want stuff" voter.

It's that mentality (or more accurately, that mentality concerning others' motives), more than anything, that makes the social safety net ('cepting Medicare) an uphill climb in the US.

[Jaecp]

Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?

Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam

[Jaecp]

Not acting smartalacky either, there's probably good reasons why it won't work in America, but it sometimes puzzles me when I see people universally declaring that something that's been running for several decades in my country, during a time of growth, is unsustainable.

Read the first couple chapters of "The Audacity of Hope"

President Obama, back in 2006 notes some things about the politicizing of issues that, in prior decades, could be worked through. Basically, now that we've gotten to the point everything is politicized people will die on the hill of keeping access to medical treatment tied completely to your financial power when, even within the context of their other beliefs, such a thing makes no sense to fight against.

The reason he gives for this, a brief overview of the late 80's and the 90's, is pretty nifty.

[Cow Poke]

Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?

Some of us are grown up enough to realize that what we want isn't necessarily what's best for the country.

Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam

Are you 12?

[Cow Poke]

It's that mentality (or more accurately, that mentality concerning others' motives), more than anything, that makes the social safety net ('cepting Medicare) an uphill climb in the US.

Perhaps Jaecp will share some of his jam with you.

[rogue06]

Right? Like, why shouldn't we want things?

Electing people to represent you and therefore your interests is politics whole jam

As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

[JimL]

As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. is the Republican party.

[Jedidiah]

As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

I was going to quote that but now I needn't.

[Jedidiah]

The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. is the Republican party.

The only problem with Democracy in the U.S. isare the Republican Republicrats party.

[Starlight]

As expressed in a quote usually attributed to Lord Woodhouselee (Alexander Fraser Tytler), and ignoring calling our form of government a democracy, explains the problem:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

Well history proved him embarrassingly wrong.

[Jaecp]

Yeah, like, wasn't he writing about the US? And really wrong?

What's the deal with citing foreign nationals who are bashing our entire form of government when you guys think it'll help you out?

Nevermind the fact that "want things" and "wants tangible, physical goods and services paid for without an accompaniment of levied taxes" are two very different things