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    After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?


    Abstract

    Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.....




    ....The newborn and the fetus are morally equivalent

    The moral status of an infant is equivalent to that of a fetus in the sense that both lack those properties that justify the attribution of a right to life to an individual.

    Both a fetus and a newborn certainly are human beings and potential persons, but neither is a ‘person’ in the sense of ‘subject of a moral right to life’. We take ‘person’ to mean an individual who is capable of attributing to her own existence some (at least) basic value such that being deprived of this existence represents a loss to her. This means that many non-human animals and mentally retarded human individuals are persons, but that all the individuals who are not in the condition of attributing any value to their own existence are not persons. Merely being human is not in itself a reason for ascribing someone a right to life. Indeed, many humans are not considered subjects of a right to life: spare embryos where research on embryo stem cells is permitted, fetuses where abortion is permitted, criminals where capital punishment is legal.

    http://jme.bmj.com/content/39/5/261....b-f58d50714edc
    So my question to the leftists: If you support abortion rights, but not after birth abortion, can you show a flaw in their reasoning? By what non-arbitrary standard can you argue against after birth abortion?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Other than getting in trouble with the Creator of the universe? That should be a reason no Christian should be for abortion or infanticide.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?




      So my question to the leftists: If you support abortion rights, but not after birth abortion, can you show a flaw in their reasoning? By what non-arbitrary standard can you argue against after birth abortion?
      Their FEELZ!!
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        Their FEELZ!!
        Starlight seems to support this: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post213979


        The philosophical observation your link rightly makes is that fetuses/newborns are not thinking beings, and thus moral obligations with regard to them are lessened, just as they are with animals. Harming them is still wrong, but it is not as wrong. It is therefore unsurprising that so many cultures in human history have practiced infanticide, and equally unsurprising that most people in history have been happy to kill animals for meat.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          By what non-arbitrary standard can you argue against after birth abortion?
          For that matter, by what non-arbitrary standard do they argue in favor of abortion in general?
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            For that matter, by what non-arbitrary standard do they argue in favor of abortion in general?
            This is what happen when you stop defining human beings by their ontological quality, and start defining them by various behaviors or lack thereof.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Wait, if dimbulb thinks babies are equivalent to animals, and we eat animals...
              Cue Modest Proposal jokes!
              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                Wait, if dimbulb thinks babies are equivalent to animals, and we eat animals...
                Cue Modest Proposal jokes!
                Right, and if non-thinking human beings are worthy of legal protection, could it be possible to define Starlight as non-thinking?
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?




                  So my question to the leftists: If you support abortion rights, but not after birth abortion, can you show a flaw in their reasoning? By what non-arbitrary standard can you argue against after birth abortion?
                  JimL, Firstfloor? Tassman, Starlight? Sam? Not a peep.
                  Last edited by seanD; 07-02-2015, 01:30 PM.
                  "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Right, and if non-thinking human beings are worthy of legal protection, could it be possible to define Starlight as non-thinking?
                    I doubt he'd be very tasty.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                      I doubt he'd be very tasty.
                      But have you tried Starlight roasted over an open fire, with barbecue sauce?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        But have you tried Starlight roasted over an open fire, with barbecue sauce?
                        Ew. fundy atheist.
                        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          This is what happen when you stop defining human beings by their ontological quality, and start defining them by various behaviors or lack thereof.


                          *rubs eyes
                          *looks at post again to make sure it's actually from seer
                          *it is
                          *takes anti-psychotic medication
                          *doesn't work because there's no psychosis to treat
                          *re-reads post one last time in case it's a prank
                          *it isn't
                          *brain explodes from irony oversaturation

                          You seem to "stop defining human beings by their ontological quality and start defining them by various behaviors of lack thereof" all the time in regard to gay people, seer. How about valuing the unborn and the born equally?
                          Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

                          I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fm93 View Post


                            *rubs eyes
                            *looks at post again to make sure it's actually from seer
                            *it is
                            *takes anti-psychotic medication
                            *doesn't work because there's no psychosis to treat
                            *re-reads post one last time in case it's a prank
                            *it isn't
                            *brain explodes from irony oversaturation

                            You seem to "stop defining human beings by their ontological quality and start defining them by various behaviors of lack thereof" all the time in regard to gay people, seer. How about valuing the unborn and the born equally?
                            I don't think we've ever claimed that people who practice homosexual acts aren't persons and should be killed. Just that said acts are sinful, just like every other sin that ever human commits.
                            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fm93 View Post

                              *rubs eyes
                              *looks at post again to make sure it's actually from seer
                              *it is
                              *takes anti-psychotic medication
                              *doesn't work because there's no psychosis to treat
                              *re-reads post one last time in case it's a prank
                              *it isn't
                              *brain explodes from irony oversaturation

                              You seem to "stop defining human beings by their ontological quality and start defining them by various behaviors of lack thereof" all the time in regard to gay people, seer. How about valuing the unborn and the born equally?
                              Wait, what!?

                              I can't think of a single post that seer has ever made where he determined that a homosexual was not a person, or that they did not have a right to life. You're comparing apples and oranges fm.

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