Bristol Palin disruption thread

[Littlejoe]

But she DID choose to cash in on that fame and take a LOT of money to endorse and promote a lifestyle she did not uphold...so I'm torn. I see your point about how it could cause those in a similar situation to abort rather than endure the shaming...but what about the other side of the coin? We look the other way because of it? No win situation...

[Cow Poke]

are you doing anything about it besides blogging on the internet or is this just more empty conservative blather

You've been waiting all this time to turn that around, and you blow it with THIS!?!?!?!?!

I made a casual sympathetic comment - I'm not mindlessly and hypocritically advocating SOMEBODY ELSE do something I'm not doing. That's YOUR schtick.

[KingsGambit]

I don't mind light pushback in this thread but I really didn't want this to turn into another liberal vs. conservative rumble.

[Cow Poke]

My apologies. Unsubscribing.

[fm93]

I don't mind light pushback in this thread but I really didn't want this to turn into another liberal vs. conservative rumble.

I had no political motivations there at all, actually.

[Jedidiah]

I had no political motivations there at all, actually.

This forum is solely for the support of pro-life matters. That is all.

[fm93]

This forum is solely for the support of pro-life matters. That is all.

I realize that. And I am pro-life.

[KingsGambit]

Unfortunately, Ms. Palin is making defense of herself more difficult by claiming that the child was planned ahead of time. My original post had in mind allowing people the grace to admit they made a mistake and to move forward with the natural consequences.

[themuzicman]

As you've probably heard, Bristol Palin is pregnant with her second child. The reason she is getting so much grief is because she was getting paid $200,000 to promote abstinence. So, yes, she has been caught being a major hypocrite.

I am going to argue we should not join in on shaming her. As I posted in another thread a few weeks ago, it is not a sin to be unmarried and pregnant; it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage. Bristol may not be very sympathetic because of her job, but think about other women who have a lot invested in not being pregnant. Maybe a single woman in your church. If these people get condemned for being pregnant, all it does is encourage them to seek an abortion before anybody finds out... and I have no doubt this happens all the time.

(For the record, I do think Bristol was a poor choice to have been promoting abstinence given that she became pregnant out of wedlock in a very high profile manner previously.)

So, what do you suggest happen to people who degrade how the Church is viewed in our culture, including those who engage in sex outside of marriage?

Or is this the new normal in Church?

[KingsGambit]

So, what do you suggest happen to people who degrade how the Church is viewed in our culture, including those who engage in sex outside of marriage?

Or is this the new normal in Church?

As was said earlier... it's a church discipline issue or a family issue. But my original post was contingent on Palin admitting she made a mistake and moving forward. She seems completely unrepentant so it's a different ballgame now.

[themuzicman]

As was said earlier... it's a church discipline issue or a family issue. But my original post was contingent on Palin admitting she made a mistake and moving forward. She seems completely unrepentant so it's a different ballgame now.

Sorry, but "made a mistake" implies that one didn't realize a bad outcome could/would result from an action.

Unless she was raped, she directly violated the very principles she was being PAID to uphold. That's worthy of any number of levels of scorn.

[Jedidiah]

This thread is completely out of hand. If you want to debate what Bristol Palin did do so elsewhere.

[KingsGambit]

Sorry, but "made a mistake" implies that one didn't realize a bad outcome could/would result from an action.

Unless she was raped, she directly violated the very principles she was being PAID to uphold. That's worthy of any number of levels of scorn.

While this is true... I'm more concerned about creating an environment where people will feel pressured to have abortions to hide what they did. That was the point of my OP and I think this is a more urgent concern than how we pass judgment upon people who sin.