In response to another thread: "Gay Marriage"

[Outis]

Outis,can I see some research that homosexuality isn't a choice?

Or, if you want to do our own research, you can try this: for five minutes, choose to be homosexual. After all, according to most of the Christians here, _being_ gay isn't a sin provided you don't act on it.

[Bill the Cat]

American Academy of Pediatrics:
* http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...13/6/1827.long
* Perrin, E. C. (2002). Sexual Orientation in Child and Adolescent Health Care.

American Psychological Association:
* http://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/A...riae_Brief.pdf

Royal College of Psychiatrists:
* http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/workinpsych...tothecofe.aspx

This is all "tip of the iceberg" stuff, IC. The medical community has not seen homosexuality as a choice since Kraft-Ebbing in 1866.

The psychiatric and psychologic communities have not, but the biological fields have never positively declared it a biological trait.

[Bill the Cat]

Or, if you want to do our own research, you can try this: for five minutes, choose to be homosexual. After all, according to most of the Christians here, _being_ gay isn't a sin provided you don't act on it.

Ok, now what?

[Outis]

Ok, now what?

Are you now sexually attracted to those of the same sex? Whether or not you choose to act upon it.

[Paprika]

Ok, now what?

"Try it for the next year or so: Stop being a heterosexual to demonstrate...that a person’s sexuality is a matter of choice"
http://gawker.com/advice-columnist-p...are-1469213498

[Outis]

The psychiatric and psychologic communities have not, but the biological fields have never positively declared it a biological trait.

They've never positively identified a _specific_ biological trait, but that's far from "they've never positively declared." Or do you want me to also dig up the biological research? It's readily available.

[Bill the Cat]

They've never positively identified a _specific_ biological trait, but that's far from "they've never positively declared." Or do you want me to also dig up the biological research? It's readily available.

I am aware of much of the biological research and the flaws associated with them.

[Outis]

I am aware of much of the biological research and the flaws associated with them.

Cite some flaws. Feel free to do so in this thread. or start a new thread in NatSci.

[Bill the Cat]

Cite some flaws. Feel free to do so in this thread. or start a new thread in NatSci.

How about you cite a study and we'll go from there?

[Bill the Cat]

"Try it for the next year or so: Stop being a heterosexual to demonstrate...that a person’s sexuality is a matter of choice"
http://gawker.com/advice-columnist-p...are-1469213498

I was in a homosexual relationship for almost 2 years. That's something very few people know about me. I am now married to a wonderful woman with 3 children and no inkling of sexual interest in men. But, let me guess... no true Scotsman...

[Outis]

How about you cite a study and we'll go from there?

You're the one who made the claim, Bill.

[Outis]

I was in a homosexual relationship for almost 2 years. That's something very few people know about me. I am now married to a wonderful woman with 3 children and no inkling of sexual interest in men.

If you're happy, terrific!

But, let me guess... no true Scotsman...

"No true Scotsman" is never a good argument. It's even less of a good argument in this case, as sexual orientation is not binary. Like many things dealing with human psychology, t's a continuum.

[Paprika]

I was in a homosexual relationship for almost 2 years. That's something very few people know about me. I am now married to a wonderful woman with 3 children and no inkling of sexual interest in men. But, let me guess... no true Scotsman...

It's not about no true Scotsman, but that if some heterosexual people cannot change their sexuality, perhaps some homosexual people can't?

[Bill the Cat]

You're the one who made the claim, Bill.

You said "do you want me to also dig up the biological research"before I made any claim.

I would love for you to.

[Bill the Cat]

If you're happy, terrific!

I am walking proof that it CAN be chosen for and against. It may not mean anything to you, being anecdotal, but since you asked, I responded.

"No true Scotsman" is never a good argument. It's even less of a good argument in this case, as sexual orientation is not binary. Like many things dealing with human psychology, t's a continuum.

And it can be a choice.