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Originally posted by Adrift View PostIf you say so.
They didn't necessarily record history wrongly. They recorded history from their perspective.
Just want to make sure I have this right. You believe that because the Confederacy armed blacks to fight in their war, there was absolutely no racial element to the Civil War?
Wow. So you think that all 15 million Germans that fought in WWII under the Nazi flag were in it to kill Jews and take over the world? Seriously?
Uh...no. I would not now consider the cross a symbol of abuse. I'm a bit taken aback that you do.
I said that, "right or wrong, for 150 years the rebel flag has been associated with hate, and racism." You replied, "No." Then went on to tell me that it has been associated with a number of things including racism, with living in the South, and with being a "Country Boy". I reply with "So, not really 'No', but 'Yes, and...'". In other words, Yes, it's been associated with racism, and also other things, like being from the South or being a "Country Boy". You reply again with, "No. I said what I meant."
Bill, these kinds of goofy nitpicking contradictory statements deserve eyerolls. You're just being obstinate at this point.
Says you.
No. No one is forcing anyone to take down flags. If they're ashamed of the racist association with the flag, then that's between them and their conscience.
Uh, no. It is not highly racist to assume that a black person would be less likely to approach a Klansman in a hood then he would a person in regular street clothes.
That's ridiculous. I would be less likely to approach a Klansman dressed in full Klan uniform, than I would a person in regular street clothes.
Honestly Bill, you're saying some pretty wackadoodle things here. Sounds like you're far too close to this issue, and can't seem to see it from an objective perspective.That's what
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWas that when he threatened to come to Texas and whoop my @$&@@$?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI'm saying that the war was not fought by "a bunch of us honkeys just so we could keep all of those uppity niggers down."
Adrift has a good reason for pulling out of the discussion with you considering the above childish response.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is an abstruse nonsense response.
You still have not responded to the accurate citations I made concerning the primary reasons why the leaders of the Confederacy seceded from the Union.
When the South split from the North, was that a formal declaration of war by the South? Yes or no?
Adrift has a good reason for pulling out of the discussion with you considering the above childish response.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostWell, some areas of Ohio are essentially WV as this map can attest:
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGhetto? Gotta love the "Mistake by the Lake."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhy don't you just stop typing frank?
When the South split from the North, was that a formal declaration of war by the South? Yes or no?
The response was predictable, the USA officially declared war and initiated a blockade of southern portsLast edited by shunyadragon; 07-01-2015, 01:13 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo
They fired on Fort Sumter, occupied it and raised their flag over the fort. This would be a 'yes' in international Law. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Was that a declaration of war?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWhat date did they secede? Then what date did they fire on Sumter? Were they at war between those dates?
Georgia - Tuesday, January 29, 1861
South Carolina - December 24, 1860
Texas - February 2, 1861
Virginia April 17, 1861
Mississippi - Interesting statement in the declaration of secession
Capture of Fort Sumter April 12 -14, 1861
Declaration of War by USA - April 15, 1861 President Lincoln issued the first proclamation that secession had become a reality ordering the formation of a war time army. Acknowledged as the Declaration of War in history
April 19,1861 - Lincoln orders a blockade of Southern ports, considered the first act of war by the Union.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostDeclarations of secession
South Carolina - December 24, 1860
Capture of Fort Sumter April 12 -14, 1861
Declaration of War by USA - April 15, 1861
So PLEASE stop with that lie.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThank you for noting the details where the Battle flag is on the second and third official flags of the Confederate States of America.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes, the battle flag is the most prominent symbol of succession, rebellion of the Confederacy, which seceded primarily for the reason of preserving the institution of slavery the principle economic capital of the South.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostPlease note that blue flag with the white star was always flown as a companion of the official battle flag of the Confederacy.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe other flags are local used flags for special purposes, and units of the Confederacy, of which there are many more, and NOT official flags of the Confederacy.
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This flag was used by South Carolina as a symbol of its secession and sovereignty:
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But none of that really matters since all you are doing is backpeddling.Last edited by Rational Gaze; 07-01-2015, 01:55 PM.My Amazon Author page: https://www.amazon.com/-/e/B0719RS8BK
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSo, the secession was not a declaration of war. Between December 20 (not the 24th) and April 12, the sovereign state of South Carolina was not at war with the North over slavery. It was not until Lincoln realized that the South's secession was dangerous that he declared war, not against the South's slavery, but against their secession from the union.
So PLEASE stop with that lie.
No lie here the facts are facts of history. Slavery was the motivation for the South starting the war of secession. The Union declared war to preserve the Union in response to Southern aggression.
The South secesseded from the Union and attacked the Union based on the preservation of slavery as in institution of economic capital.
The Union declared war at that time, because the Confederacy attacked the Union. The Union did not recognize the Declarations od Secession by the Southern States, but war did not start until the South attacked the Union. Lincoln knew that war was inevitable, because of the secession, but used restraint until the South attacked the Union at Fort Sumter.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 07-01-2015, 03:44 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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