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  • #46
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/op...or-threat.html

    Since 9/11, an average of nine American Muslims per year have been involved in an average of six terrorism-related plots against targets in the United States. Most were disrupted, but the 20 plots that were carried out accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.

    In contrast, right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities, according to a study by Arie Perliger, a professor at the United States Military Academy’s Combating Terrorism Center. The toll has increased since the study was released in 2012.
    Retarded article that conflates right-wing with anti-government.

    All this of course is predicated on deliberately counting only stuff after 9/11. It's gonna take a lot of AME shootings to add up to that one.
    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      "Yeah. They're just insane when it comes to gun control laws."
      "Yeah. They don't seem to learn."
      "It's so predictable it's depressing."
      "I wonder if they'll ever do anything about it?"
      "Probably not. They're crazy."
      "Yeah." ~shakes head in disgust~

      That's pretty much the universal attitude of people in the rest of the West toward American gun issues: Mildly outraged disgust at the immoral insanity that is the US's lack of gun regulation that just keeps on killing people.
      In the US gun control has zero to do with safety. Anyone can get an illegal gun, but gun control only impacts law abiding gun purchasers.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        In the US? I don't know.
        In the rest of the Western world? About 0 seconds. I've had about 4 conversations with people here on the subject so far which have all gone something like:
        "Did you see the US had yet another mass shooting?"
        "Yeah. They're just insane when it comes to gun control laws."
        "Yeah. They don't seem to learn."
        "It's so predictable it's depressing."
        "I wonder if they'll ever do anything about it?"
        "Probably not. They're crazy."
        "Yeah." ~shakes head in disgust~

        That's pretty much the universal attitude of people in the rest of the West toward American gun issues: Mildly outraged disgust at the immoral insanity that is the US's lack of gun regulation that just keeps on killing people.
        Connecticut had strict gun regulation prior to the Sandy Hook shooting. Chicago and Baltimore have strict gun regulation, yet those places are a cesspool of gun violence (which never makes the press). This is why pro-gun advocates don't take you people seriously because you live in a fantasy world of emotional delusion. You're driven by pure hysteria spurred on by media sensationalism. Now, if you want to talk a total gun ban nationwide, at least you're making some sense from the standpoint of curbing the problem with outright draconian government regulation... but good luck with that lol. With the amount of guns already in the country (much thanks to Obama's presidency), you'd still be in fantasy land.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by seanD View Post
          Now, if you want to talk a total gun ban nationwide, at least you're making some sense from the standpoint of curbing the problem with outright draconian government regulation... but good luck with that lol. With the amount of guns already in the country (much thanks to Obama's presidency), you'd still be in fantasy land.
          The standard recommended international approach is to allow appropriate firearms for hunting etc, but require a license and background checks. International evidence shows that to be empirically an effective approach to significantly reducing gun violence.

          Guns are not currently a political issue here, like they are in the States. Everyone here largely just takes it for granted that it's sensible that our laws follow international best-practices. And consequently people here think that the US's approach to guns is utterly insane.
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post

            Guns are not currently a political issue here, like they are in the States. Everyone here largely just takes it for granted that it's sensible that our laws follow international best-practices. And consequently people here think that the US's approach to guns is utterly insane.
            Except we don't care what you think. The Second Amendment is a right that is just as precious as our right to freedom of speech or religion. Can freedom be messy? Yes.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #51
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              Except we don't care what you think. The Second Amendment is a right that is just as precious as our right to freedom of speech or religion. Can freedom be messy? Yes.
              As a nation, you're welcome to exercise your freedom to have stupid laws. The rest of the world will simply continue to regard you morally guilty for the continuing deaths of these innocent people. But given you're already in our bad books for killing innocents with drone strikes and torture, I guess it doesn't actually make that much difference on the whole.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                As a nation, you're welcome to exercise your freedom to have stupid laws. The rest of the world will simply continue to regard you morally guilty for the continuing deaths of these innocent people. But given you're already in our bad books for killing innocents with drone strikes and torture, I guess it doesn't actually make that much difference on the whole.
                Your fellow liberals are the ones who decided the US really needed a race war. Like Jeremiah Wight might say, your chickens are coming home to roost.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  As a nation, you're welcome to exercise your freedom to have stupid laws. The rest of the world will simply continue to regard you morally guilty for the continuing deaths of these innocent people. But given you're already in our bad books for killing innocents with drone strikes and torture, I guess it doesn't actually make that much difference on the whole.
                  No, if you really are worried about saving lives, ban all motor vehicles (except emergency vehicles, and trucks that deliver food, fuel, clothing etc...) - here in the US that will probably save close to 300,000 lives a year. Way more people die from motor vehicle accidents than gun violence. But we won't ban cars - we love our freedom to much.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    No, if you really are worried about saving lives, ban all motor vehicles (except emergency vehicles, and trucks that deliver food, fuel, clothing etc...) - here in the US that will probably save close to 300,000 lives a year. Way more people die from motor vehicle accidents than gun violence. But we won't ban cars - we love our freedom to much.
                    Well soon computers will drive all our cars for us, so it won't be an issue.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Well soon computers will drive all our cars for us, so it won't be an issue.
                      Well, that might work for liberals - real men want to drive their own cars!
                      Last edited by seer; 06-19-2015, 07:35 AM.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #56
                        From what I saw of Obama's comments on the news, they didn't seem to be fanning racial flames. Remember that North Charleston just recently had the incident where a white policeman was caught on tape shooting a fleeing black man, and there were some protests. Do you expect Obama to just pretend the racial element in the room was not there? Charleston has a very large black population, and that population is hurting right now. Acknowledging the grief has to be some comfort and frankly, I think anybody accusing Obama of race baiting over this is just looking for an excuse to bash him.

                        I'm not speaking as to what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson regularly do (they actively fan the flames), but acknowledging racial tension can be calming. When Martin Luther King Jr. was killed, Robert Kennedy was scheduled to give a campaign speech to a black audience in Indianapolis that night. The audience was not aware of what had happened. Kennedy spoke to the crowd, told them what had happened, and acknowledged that it had been a white man who did it. He then told them that he, too, had experienced loss with his brother (the only time he ever publicly spoke about his brother's assassination, I believe) and quoted an ancient Greek poet. Indianapolis was one of the few major cities whose black community did not riot that night.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          I'm not speaking as to what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson regularly do (they actively fan the flames), but acknowledging racial tension can be calming. When Martin Luther King Jr. was killed, Robert Kennedy was scheduled to give a campaign speech to a black audience in Indianapolis that night. The audience was not aware of what had happened. Kennedy spoke to the crowd, told them what had happened, and acknowledged that it had been a white man who did it. He then told them that he, too, had experienced loss with his brother (the only time he ever publicly spoke about his brother's assassination, I believe) and quoted an ancient Greek poet. Indianapolis was one of the few major cities whose black community did not riot that night.
                          I remember that all very well. "Bobby" quoted Aeschylus - which BTW I had as my signature for years...

                          Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            From what I saw of Obama's comments on the news, they didn't seem to be fanning racial flames.
                            I agree, if his comments were taken in isolation. But he's been feeding the flames of the new race war from the beginning (Zimmerman) so he's partially responsible for things getting to this point. His racial pandering would be acceptable if he was consistent, but he's consistently taken the typical left position where white on black incidents are amplified (or made up outright) and the reverse completely ignored. Maybe if Obama and his co-ideologues weren't busy trying to milk white guilt for fun and profit Helmet Head wouldn't have seen himself as a vanguard in a race war.

                            Remember that North Charleston just recently had the incident where a white policeman was caught on tape shooting a fleeing black man, and there were some protests. Do you expect Obama to just pretend the racial element in the room was not there?
                            Was there a racial element in that case? Unless every incident involving a cop and criminal of a different race is racial.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #59
                              The Christian Way:

                              Charleston victim's children: 'We forgive him'

                              The teenage children of one of the victims of the shooting at a church in Charleston, say they've forgiven their mother's killer.

                              Speaking for the first time since the attacks, they told the BBC they wanted to focus on moving on in a positive way.Their mother, Sharonda Singleton, 45, was one of nine people shot dead. Suspect Dylann Roof, 21, is now in custody.
                              http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33194121
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                As a nation, you're welcome to exercise your freedom to have stupid laws. The rest of the world will simply continue to regard you morally guilty for the continuing deaths of these innocent people. But given you're already in our bad books for killing innocents with drone strikes and torture, I guess it doesn't actually make that much difference on the whole.
                                USA got innocent people living here too (a bunch just got killed)

                                Don't outlaw guns here, please. USA also got too many criminals who are armed to the teeth. Being outlaws already, they aren't going to care if guns are outlawed. That just make their "job" easier, not having to worry about armed law-abiding citizens defending their homes, or wondering if its safe to rape a female or does she have a revolver in her purse.

                                Too many guns here, no way to put that genie back in bottle.
                                To say that crony capitalism is not true/free market capitalism, is like saying a grand slam is not true baseball, or like saying scoring a touchdown is not true American football ...Stefan Mykhaylo D

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