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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's the 24 hour news cycle - they are more interested in being first than being right. Do you find some other credible source to back up the notion that Roof did NOT buy the gun personally?
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Originally posted by seanD View PostDude,
I concede that the current story you showed is likely true.
You can be such a ......The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's really not necessary.
I'm ASKING because I don't know... if other sources got it wrong, this one could too!
You can be such a ......
Last edited by QuantaFille; 06-23-2015, 05:28 PM.
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostAnd people like him would not have been allowed to get the gun licence."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostBased on what?Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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Originally posted by Raphael View PostThe thing is your Constitution couldgrant gun laws to the federal government with another amendment. It's a living document, it can be changed.
That's the point of what I am meaning, He shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun. Every country I have lived in you have to have a gun licence to purchase a gun. And people like him would not have been allowed to get the gun licence.
We do it in this country, it works reasonable well. You want a to buy a gun? you need a current gun licence. You want a gun licence, you have to do training, pass a test and the cops come and inspect your house to make sure you have a safe etc. for keeping said guns in. And I have mates who own lots of guns and have no problems with going that.
Did you not see the recent one in the US where a little boy (IIRC under 5) from Kentucky shot his sister with his Cricket .22, a gun specifically marketed for young children.
Q. How do I know if my rifle is equipped with an Internal Safety Lock?
A. The Internal Safety Lock is located on the bottom of the stock in between the trigger guard and the take down screw.
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Q. What is the purpose of the internal safety lock?
A. It's function is to stop the bolt from closing. Therefore impossible to shoot the rifle, when the lock is engaged. Note: Keys are required to unlock the rifle.
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_faqs.php
Sounds like to me, nobody bothered to use the lock that came with the gun and a predictable tragic moment happened as a result.
I have no problem with kids learning to shoot at a young age (I started when I was about 4-ish using my dad's old air rifle). I have a problem when guns are marketed as if they were just another toy for kids.
Q. Will the ADULT .22 stock fit on regular .22 Crickett Rifles?
A. YES, The only difference is the ADULT stock is 1 1/2" longer.
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_faqs.php
They are not toys and they are made to be toys. They require background checks, just like any other gun. They are sold by licensed dealers, they are designed with interchangeable parts so they could be easily upgraded as the child grows, and they come with gun lock safety features built into the rifle to prevent children from using the rifle without an adult present. They are not toys and I don't believe they are marketed as toys. They are marked as having smaller stocks, for easier time for children to use.
*edited to add*
I just wanted to make a note that I always appreciate your input Raphael and I'm not trying to be mean about it at all. I just find that many gun control measures take in assumptions that I don't find as always consistent or practical. I know a firearm can easily be a machine of death and I treat it as such. Sad to say, many don't and many people don't treat many things around them as the machines of death they could be. A car moving at 40 KPH can easily kill somebody and a pool can also drown a child quite quickly. People often don't seem to get that and somebody getting hurt or killed is the natural results of their carelessness. Same can be said with gun safety too. All of them ones I've bought come with a 10 rules of gun safety pamphlet that, if followed, would prevent the case you brought up and ones like it. Yet, people ignore safety and bad things happen as a result.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-23-2015, 06:05 PM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostSure, but this would require 38 states to first approve of an amendment. Meaning 38 state houses and senates would first have to approve the amendment, before they could do it. I doubt anybody currently would be able to get 38 state's to do so.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd yet, other countries still have shootings too and this is just a guess to begin with. The problem has to do with the evil in heart's of men and people willing to commit murder would fall under that.
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostGun safes only work, if they are used. Is there a guarantee that people will use their gun safe, every single time or keep it locked and secured? No. People don't use their blinkers, when they go to make turns and seem to think many traffic laws don't apply to them, so are they necessarily going to follow all laws, all the time? No. Considering how people treat their 3,000+lbs machine of potential death, well I doubt these laws are always followed.
It's simple, You want a gun, have a valid current gun licence.
You want a gun licence, you need to show that you know how to use one, know the basics of safety, have a safe place for it to be kept.
Sure it won't stop all the issues, but it should bring about a reduction in them
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostWhich had to be bought by somebody over the age of 18. I've seen those guns in the gun shop before and I think they look cheap (and likely are as cheap as they look). Besides, they come with their own safety lock as their web site says:
Q. How do I know if my rifle is equipped with an Internal Safety Lock?
A. The Internal Safety Lock is located on the bottom of the stock in between the trigger guard and the take down screw.
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Q. What is the purpose of the internal safety lock?
A. It's function is to stop the bolt from closing. Therefore impossible to shoot the rifle, when the lock is engaged. Note: Keys are required to unlock the rifle.
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_faqs.php
Sounds like to me, nobody bothered to use the lock that came with the gun and a predictable tragic moment happened as a result.
I don't think they are marketed as toys at all. This being an example of that:
Q. Will the ADULT .22 stock fit on regular .22 Crickett Rifles?
A. YES, The only difference is the ADULT stock is 1 1/2" longer.
http://www.crickett.com/crickett_faqs.php
They are not toys and they are made to be toys. They require background checks, just like any other gun. They are sold by licensed dealers, they are designed with interchangeable parts so they could be easily upgraded as the child grows, and they come with gun lock safety features built into the rifle to prevent children from using the rifle without an adult present. They are not toys and I don't believe they are marketed as toys. They are marked as having smaller stocks, for easier time for children to use.
(NOTE: I am not saying smaller guuns shouldn't be made and sold. it's the marketing I'm objecting toBe watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
"...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
-Ben Witherington III
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Originally posted by Raphael View Postbased on the fact that he is pending a federal felony charge as detailed by LPoT"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Raphael View Postbut not outside of the realm of possibility. Especially if it was framed to only bring in some basic things.
I know, I used to live in a Country that has a WAY WAY higher gun homicide rate. But we're talking about trying to reduce the number. to make it so it's a little harder for the nutters to get guns.
Now you're being ridiculous. By your argument we should get rid of the road laws because stupid people ignore them.
It's simple, You want a gun, have a valid current gun licence.
You want a gun licence, you need to show that you know how to use one, know the basics of safety, have a safe place for it to be kept.
Sure it won't stop all the issues, but it should bring about a reduction in them
I still think they shouldn't have been marketed for kids. (
(NOTE: I am not saying smaller guuns shouldn't be made and sold. it's the marketing I'm objecting to
From EZ-Reach forends located closer to the receiver to its innovative super bantam stock spacer adjustment system designed to grow with the shooter, Mossberg is one of the industry’s strongest advocates for promoting safe, enjoyable youth recreational shooting.
http://www.mossberg.com/category/ser...h-500-505-510/
This language, to me, sounds like the intended audience is parents and not children.
Or like I found on the reviews here:
" This is the first shot gun for my son. He shot 2 boxes of shells in the first weekend. Good shooting well balanced for smaller shooters. Good gun and comes with certificate to purchase discount barrel and stock as he grows. "
Again, sounds like a parent talking to other parents, about something they found.
Here is another sports store advertising this same gun too here:
"This Mossberg® Youth 500® Bantam™ 20 Gauge Pump-Action Shotgun is great for young hunters and small-stature adults with its reduced LOP, EZ-reach™ forearm and shortened barrel and pistol grip. The gun features dual extractors, twin action bars, positive steel-to-steel lockup and an antijam elevator along with an easy-to-access, top-mounted safety."
This one seems to be talking to both myself (since I do find this one easier for my use vs a larger one) and parents again.
Or getting into the Crickett one you mentioned earlier, here is an advertisement for one at a store here in the states:
"If you’re looking for a fun firearm to get your young shooter started with, consider these single-shot rimfire options. Each bolt-action model sports a blued barrel and the added safety feature of being able to shoot only one round at a time. This also teaches beginning shooters to make every shot count. All are lightweight and easy for youngsters to carry at the range and in the woods."
Sounds like, to me, that the marketing here is to parents and not children. Besides, reading more on the story in question, which you mentioned the shooting taking part with this .22 rifle, I seriously doubt that Crickett, nor any gun manufacturer, would seriously tell you to treat it as a toy. In fact, I found this safety thing on their web site, which specifically says not to play with a gun. Simply put, sounds like mom was irresponsible, perhaps even criminally irresponsible."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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