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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    God's law would not be dependent on man's understanding. It would exist whether we understood it or not, whether we accepted it or not. Do you agree with that?
    Okay sure. I am confused why you think that observation gains you anything, because it's equally true of everything else in the world.

    But God's law is not arbitrary.
    Which god(s) we believe in is entirely arbitrary.

    (1) Moral behaviour is rational.
    (2) Morality behaviour is only rational if justice will be done.
    (3) Justice will only be done if God exists.
    Therefore:
    (4) God exists.
    Premises two and three are false.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      LOL, but in higher primate groups it is the alpha males that cause the anti-social behavior by taking the food and females from weaker males. The evolved instinct of greed and selfishness.
      So! The wealthiest 1% take virtually everything for themselves in the Christian USA, but this doesn't alter the fact that humans are evolved social animals and require social cohesion to survive as a species.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth..._United_States
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Abigail View Post
        You don't seem to understand that you are discriminating against my Christian identity which is every bit as valid as a gay identity. You are not being denied service. Just because my Christian identity causes you to feel offended by what I say that is no good reason to legislate that I am not allowed to exist. Christianity is not confined to a person's thoughts but includes speech and behaviour. It seems that all the progressives have to do is be 'offended' and a person could find themselves facing state sanction. Nice society we are looking towards.
        You’re demanding special treatment as a Christian. The Civil Rights Act is not just about taking away your “rights” as a Christen to discriminate against those who offend your values; it’s taking away the rights of anyone to discriminate against anybody they disapprove of for whatever reason…whether they are racists discriminating against blacks or anti Semites discriminating against Jews or Xenophobes discriminating against foreigners or whatever.

        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
        The civil rights act does not have the legal authority to outlaw all discrimination (and didn't even try anyway).
        The Civil Rights Act outlaws all discrimination re voter registration requirements, racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that serve the general public, i.e. the service industry, which are known as "public accommodations".

        The parts of it that do are unconstitutional.
        This has not been determined by the SCOTUS to be the case.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          You’re demanding special treatment as a Christian. The Civil Rights Act is not just about taking away your “rights” as a Christen to discriminate against those who offend your values; it’s taking away the rights of anyone to discriminate against anybody they disapprove of for whatever reason…whether they are racists discriminating against blacks or anti Semites discriminating against Jews or Xenophobes discriminating against foreigners or whatever.
          Nope I am not demanding special treatment - just my right to exist as a Christian and have freedom of speech. And if the Civil Rights Act was really doing what you claim then how come it is not taking away your right to discriminate against Christians ...even down to their freedom of speech being taken away. And just because you disapprove of what I as a Christian has to say.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            The Civil Rights Act outlaws all discrimination re voter registration requirements, racial segregation in schools, at the workplace and by facilities that serve the general public, i.e. the service industry, which are known as "public accommodations".
            When you bring this into freedom of speech then you ARE taking way peoples rights and for no better reason than you don't like what they say. Refusing Christians the right to freedom of speech is discrimination. Progressives are guilty of hate crimes against Christians because they are trying to use the law to force them from society

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              So! The wealthiest 1% take virtually everything for themselves in the Christian USA...
              I wish atheists would make up their minds. Is the USA "Christian" or not?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                Nope I am not demanding special treatment - just my right to exist as a Christian and have freedom of speech.
                Yes you are demanding special treatment. Every citizen has the right to exist and hold to their own views, but this does not include the right to discriminate against those who don’t share those views…not even Christians.

                And if the Civil Rights Act was really doing what you claim then how come it is not taking away your right to discriminate against Christians ...even down to their freedom of speech being taken away. And just because you disapprove of what I as a Christian has to say.
                It’s not all about you. The Civil Rights Acts protects everybody, including Christians, against discrimination.

                Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                When you bring this into freedom of speech then you ARE taking way peoples rights and for no better reason than you don't like what they say. Refusing Christians the right to freedom of speech is discrimination. Progressives are guilty of hate crimes against Christians because they are trying to use the law to force them from society
                Nobody in a secular society like the US has the right to discriminate against other citizens for no good reason. I notice you seem indifferent to the rights of homosexuals, blacks, Jews, Muslims, Latinos or refugees etc, despite my reference to them several times. It’s solely about Christians getting special treatment as far as you're concerned.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  I wish atheists would make up their minds. Is the USA "Christian" or not?
                  Of course it is; what do atheists have to do with it? The majority of the US population i.e. 70.6%, claims to be Christians as of 2014...although the numbers are sharply declining. Not that they can ever agree with each other.

                  http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/a...ous-landscape/
                  Last edited by Tassman; 06-25-2015, 05:48 AM.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    Of course it is; what do atheists have to do with it?
                    Cow Poke is alluding to the fact that whenever the Christian fundamentalists try and impose a theocracy in the US, the atheists point out it's a secular nation and that the establishment of religion is forbidden. So the US simultaneously is and isn't a 'Christian nation' in different senses.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Cow Poke is alluding to the fact that whenever the Christian fundamentalists try and impose a theocracy in the US,
                      You are such a funny funny boy

                      the atheists point out it's a secular nation and that the establishment of religion is forbidden.
                      Yeah, that.

                      So the US simultaneously is and isn't a 'Christian nation' in different senses.
                      Depending, of course, on what the atheist is trying to claim.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        But God's law is not arbitrary.
                        Which god(s) we believe in is entirely arbitrary.
                        I saw this article today seer and thought immediately of our discussion here.

                        Millions of Muslims with diabetes face hard choice between health and faith during Ramadan:
                        For years, diabetic Shawkat al-Khalili ignored his doctor's orders not to fast during the holy month of Ramadan when most of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims abstain from food and water from sunrise to sunset....
                        Al-Khalili said he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes 30 years ago and kept fasting. About 10 years ago, doctors told him he had to stop, but he wouldn't. He kept ignoring his doctors even after his left toe was amputated four years ago.


                        The arbitrary moral nonsense taught by ancient holy books and zealously followed by the faithful strikes again.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Depending, of course, on what the atheist is trying to claim.
                          Well the answer depends on the precise question being asked.

                          Are a lot of Americans Christian? Yes. Does their Christianity affect how they behave? Yes. Do Christian beliefs affect the actions of powerful US political figures? Sometimes. George W often talked about his faith in conjunction with military decisions. (God was apparently too busy though to whisper to the ever-faithful George that there weren't WMDs in Iraq and invading there was a bad idea that would kill millions of innocents and heaps of US military personal)

                          But is America officially a 'Christian nation'? No. Is Christianity an established religion? No. Are there allowed to be religious tests for office? No. Is a religious justification an allowed legal basis for a law? No.

                          I once got into an argument with one of my own friends on the subject of whether the US was a Christian nation. The topic was with regard to ISIS, and my position was that Arabs perceive the US to be a Christian nation, and thus to them military conflict with the US is to some extent a religious conflict between Islam and Christianity.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Yes you are demanding special treatment. Every citizen has the right to exist and hold to their own views, but this does not include the right to discriminate against those who don’t share those views…not even Christians.
                            How have I discriminated Tassman? Did you even read the original post:

                            Originally posted by Abigail
                            Gay Couple: We would like to place an order for our wedding cake.
                            Christian Baker: Sure, though holding to the scriptural teaching that marriage should be between a man and a woman we only stock male/female combos of the mini mannequins for the top of the cake. However if you can source your own mannequin we'll do the cake.
                            A baker bakes cakes. If a baker doesn't choose to hold certain cake decorations in stock then how is that discriminating?



                            You keep repeating the same mantra over and over again like a broken record that I am demanding special treatment. How am I demanding special treatment? Or since when is freedom of speech 'special treatment'?

                            Originally posted by Tassman
                            I notice you seem indifferent to the rights of homosexuals, blacks, Jews, Muslims, Latinos or refugees etc, despite my reference to them several times. It’s solely about Christians getting special treatment as far as you're concerned.
                            I think anyone with any decency and having read these posts will know this is false. There is a conflict of interests when two identities in opposition to each other on a certain issue come into contact and so either the one has to give way or there has to be some sort of compromise. You want Christians to give way entirely. I have taken the compromise where the service is still given but on the understanding the provider is still able to voice their Christian identity to the client. Perhaps you are happy to live in a world where the service providers are expected to suspend their morals but I am not. What you are wanting is nothing less than Christians be prohibited from opening shops -
                            Last edited by Abigail; 06-25-2015, 07:32 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I saw this article today seer and thought immediately of our discussion here.

                              Millions of Muslims with diabetes face hard choice between health and faith during Ramadan:
                              For years, diabetic Shawkat al-Khalili ignored his doctor's orders not to fast during the holy month of Ramadan when most of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims abstain from food and water from sunrise to sunset....
                              Al-Khalili said he was diagnosed with Type II diabetes 30 years ago and kept fasting. About 10 years ago, doctors told him he had to stop, but he wouldn't. He kept ignoring his doctors even after his left toe was amputated four years ago.


                              The arbitrary moral nonsense taught by ancient holy books and zealously followed by the faithful strikes again.
                              Thankfully, I'm not a Muslim. I follow the Lord, Christ Jesus. So really do you think that the teachings of Christ are arbitrary? The love of neighbor, friend and foe? Forgiveness? Mercy? Self control? Kindness? Helping the poor, fidelity in marriage, etc...?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                So! The wealthiest 1% take virtually everything for themselves in the Christian USA, but this doesn't alter the fact that humans are evolved social animals and require social cohesion to survive as a species.

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth..._United_States
                                So you agree that greed and selfishness are just as instinctual as other behaviors? So the 1% are only doing what they are predetermined to do. No big deal.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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