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Originally posted by myth View PostI don't think the offense is so much about attributing positive qualities to the 'enemy'. It's more about the lack of respect and crass attitude displayed by people who give voice to such notions, given the context. CNN should issue a public apology and fire the news anchor.
One program I enjoyed for many years when I was young was a British political comedy called "Yes Minister". In that program, 'courageous' and 'brave' were regularly used as negative terms, meaning "political suicide if you, as a politician, take a 'courageous' or 'brave' stand on this political issue".
So while a lot of you guys seem to have jumped to the conclusion that the CNN anchor was praising the man by using those words, the assumption I made on reading the quote was that she was using the words in a negative or neutral way. I've just watched the video footage, and her inflections when she says the words do suggest a negative meaning, as does the context. She's reflecting on the fact that it was a single gunman rather than multiple people and she's saying the guy was suicidally crazy to have done this alone: Courageous and brave in a bad sense of suicidally crazy."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI think you guys are putting more into her words than is really there. "Courageous" and "brave" don't always carry positive connotations, and can be used negatively or neutrally.
One program I enjoyed for many years when I was young was a British political comedy called "Yes Minister". In that program, 'courageous' and 'brave' were regularly used as negative terms, meaning "political suicide if you, as a politician, take a 'courageous' or 'brave' stand on this political issue".
So while a lot of you guys seem to have jumped to the conclusion that the CNN anchor was praising the man by using those words, the assumption I made on reading the quote was that she was using the words in a negative or neutral way. I've just watched the video footage, and her inflections when she says the words do suggest a negative meaning, as does the context. She's reflecting on the fact that it was a single gunman rather than multiple people and she's saying the guy was suicidally crazy to have done this alone: Courageous and brave in a bad sense of suicidally crazy.
CNN in particular spends a lot of time vilifying those in my profession, and then when an unprovoked attack is made against the police in Dallas, one of their anchors praises the attacker? I haven't seen similarly positive comments about the police. Call it a Freudian slip if you will, but right now the absence of an apology is speaking volumes about what sentiment she meant to convey."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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I stand corrected. Apparently she did apologize.
I'm not sure what it means that I couldn't find her apology on their own website, but instead had to go somewhere else."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostI don't think the offense is so much about attributing positive qualities to the 'enemy'. It's more about the lack of respect and crass attitude displayed by people who give voice to such notions, given the context. CNN should issue a public apology and fire the news anchor.
Honestly, at times there's really no difference between the 'conservatives' and the liberals.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostCNN should have the moral fortitude to post it on their site and say it on air.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Honestly, I think this was blown out of proportion. If all she did was substitute 'brave' for 'this took some kind of guts' without any indication of admiration, then it's probably a mistake. I don't agree with the assessment but I can see a rational argument for it. It's dumb, in my opinion, but not the kind of dumb someone should be fired for.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostHonestly, I think this was blown out of proportion. If all she did was substitute 'brave' for 'this took some kind of guts' without any indication of admiration, then it's probably a mistake. I don't agree with the assessment but I can see a rational argument for it. It's dumb, in my opinion, but not the kind of dumb someone should be fired for.
She apologized. Give her the benefit of the doubt and move on."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostI'm not happy with her, but I'm more upset with the network. They could have handled the incident better, but obviously they don't care about offending law enforcement personnel. Good to know."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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