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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostFrank, your tax dollars go to fund Duke Divinity students
Further note, students admitted to the Divinity School is not restricted to any one church nor religion, and may admit Muslims, Buddhist, or humanist like Unitarian Universalists. I believe that for Duke Divinity School to eligible to participate in any program it cannot discriminate on the basis of religion for admittance to the programs. I believe they do not discriminate for admittance to the Duke Divinity program, staff are from different religions, and the courses include material on different religions.
As far as I know there is no direct financial aid to the Duke Divinity School itself.
So far, you continue to respond to the posts, and jumped around all over the place.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-03-2015, 09:15 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is FALSE.
The Philosophy of Humanism is specifically that Human Will is the only source of guidance, morals and ethics for humanity, This is not taught in any public school that I know of. Your bogus references to the Humanist Manifesto refer to social ideals for human society, and not Humanist Philosophy. These social ideals in the Humanist Manifesto are common ideals of many religions and civilization in general.
Public School systems do not endorse humanist philosophy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThis is FALSE. The Philosophy of Humanism is specifically that Human Will is the only source of guidance, morals and ethics for humanity, This is not taught in any public school that I know of. Your bogus references to the Humanist Manifesto refer to social ideals for human society, and not Humanist Philosophy. These social ideals in the Humanist Manifesto are common ideals of many religions and civilization in general.
Public School systems do not endorse humanist philosophy.
Charles Francis Potter (a signatory of the 1930 Humanist Manifesto I), Humanism: A New Religion (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1930), p. 128The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"Education is thus a most powerful ally of Humanism, and every American public school is a school of Humanism. What can the theistic Sunday-school, meeting for an hour once a week, and teaching only a fraction of the children, do to stem the tide of a five-day program of humanistic teaching?"
Charles Francis Potter (a signatory of the 1930 Humanist Manifesto I), Humanism: A New Religion (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1930), p. 128
It is obvious from the Humanist view that educated and more informed people turn to humanism, but again this is not the policy of any public education system. If you believe this is true, please provide sources. Would you than reject education because this may be true?Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-03-2015, 10:09 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostSo what?!?!?!
This is a claim by a Unitarian Humanist,
and not any public school system endorsing humanism.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSew buttons on your underwear. (my little sister used to say that. )
...who was an actual signatory of the Humanist Manifesto, Frank Not "just a Unitarian Humanist".
There are lots more claims like that, Frank. And when you look at what is being taught in public schools, it's FAR more related to humanism than any other religion.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostLots of claims!?!?!?! Please provide references that any public school system endorses humanist philosophy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, it's not.
These "ideals" have replaced the Christian ideals which were previously taught. And humanism is, indeed, a religion.
Please, document which of the ideals that are common with the Humanist Manifesto that Public schools endorse that would be contrary to your religious belief or any religious belief.
The one ideal that may be contrary to Christianity is the separation of religion and state, particularly if you believe in Theocratic Christianity, or a form of Theonomy. It is true that the US Constitution, Supreme Court decisions, Public school systems and the Humanist Manifesto support the separation of religion and state.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPlease provide directions to the mess hall in the UCMJ.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostPlease document. Duke is a private university. As far as I know the only possible Federal program available to Duke student are loan programs available to university education in general regardless of major. I probably may or may not approve of this for Divinity students, but I do not know all the criteria for these loans.
Further note, students admitted to the Divinity School is not restricted to any one church nor religion, and may admit Muslims, Buddhist, or humanist like Unitarian Universalists.
I believe that for Duke Divinity School to eligible to participate in any program it cannot discriminate on the basis of religion for admittance to the programs. I believe they do not discriminate for admittance to the Duke Divinity program, staff are from different religions, and the courses include material on different religions.
As far as I know there is no direct financial aid to the Duke Divinity School itself.
So far, you continue to respond to the posts, and jumped around all over the place.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostPlease, Please provide references that any public school system endorses humanist philosophy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe one ideal that may be contrary to Christianity is the separation of religion and state....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
So? Your tax dollars still go to teaching religion classes that you don't believe in.
So what? They still teach a vast majority of Christian based classes paid for by Federal student loans, which come from your tax dollars.
Well, now you know that there is.
No I didn't.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostAll universities teach classes on religion, no problem including Duke. The Duke University Divinity School does not teach Divinity concerning any one church or religion.
According to the link I cited above, Duke Divinity has the following degrees:
Degree Programs
•Master of Divinity (M.Div.) — ordinarily of three academic years
•Master of Arts in Christian Practice (M.A.C.P.) — ordinarily of two academic years
•Master of Theological Studies (M.T.S.) — ordinarily of two academic years
•Master of Arts in Christian Studies (M.A.C.S.) — ordinarily of one academic year
•Master of Theology (Th.M.) — a one-year program beyond the basic degree
•Doctor of Ministry (D.Min.) — two academic years of coursework followed by a period of research and writing, ordinarily of one to two additional years
•Doctor of Theology (Th.D.) — ordinarily a four- to five-year program
It has students of different religions and beliefs, and courses that cover the different religions and philosophies including humanism.
https://divinity.duke.edu/sites/divi...seSchedule.pdf
I have no problem with this school allowing students to receive Perkins Loans.
It is not a matter of a majority. It is a matter of the nature of the program, and this is true of ALL universities. The Duke Divinity School is not affiliated with one particular church nor religion.
How does that shoe taste Frank?
False, Loans do not represent direct financial aid to the school itself.
After talking to my friends at Anathoth Garden who are Divinity students it is perfectly clear that the Duke Divinity School is not affiliated with any one Church or Religion. No problem.
Correct, you did not respond to many posts after jumping all over the place.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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