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"If government subsidizes something, the nation gets more of it."
Other things being equal, the more welfare programs run or supported by government for "disadvantaged" single women, the more of them. So, more children live in poverty without dads.
Isn't progressivism wonderful? Oh, the great things it has achieved! Starry Eyes ought to stop bitching, open his eyes and marvel at all those wonders! What future accomplishments may we achieve!The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post"If government subsidizes something, the nation gets more of it."
If you want less of something, tax it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, cause everybody knows that Republicans were opposed to Civil Rights, and Democrats championed it, right?Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
"Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do, as well as to determine what we shall do."-Jeremy Bentham
"We question all our beliefs, except for the ones that we really believe in, and those we never think to question."-Orson Scott Card
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI always thought the Democrats who opposed Civil Rights were conservative (at least wrt social issues) Democrats.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post"If government subsidizes something, the nation gets more of it."
Alternatively we could subsidize education, healthy living, job opportunities, etc and hopefully get more of those things. If you want to create wealth and success by subsidizing it, there's little point in subsidizing those people who are already wealthy and successful. Giving them incentives after-the-fact to help them achieve what they've already achieved doesn't do anyone any good. You instead have help people to travel the path to success, and ensure that the future generation has a path to success available to them and help them to walk it.
That means ensuring that children of poor parents are growing up in well-constructed healthy homes, that the food they are getting has all the vitamins and nutrients they need for healthy brain development, that they are getting a good education and learning the skills they will need to contribute to society with and earn a good wage and that they aren't prohibited by their poor finances from going as far in education as their intelligence can take them, and that they have career options available to them when they enter into the job market. If society is not doing those things, it ensures that children born into poor families have little chance of ever succeeding, whereas the children born into richer families will have all they need to succeed.
But conservatives instead seem to like to play games of blame-the-victim and praise-the-lucky. The child born into a poor family who doesn't succeed is told that it's a moral failing on their part, and they lack personal responsibility. Whereas the lucky who are born into better circumstances and succeed tell themselves and others how great they are and how everything they ever achieved in life is all due to themselves and their own hard work."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo if we can successfully kill off the poor via malnutrition, poor medical services, and a lack of healthy housing, we'll have less of them? Interesting plan.
Alternatively we could subsidize education, healthy living, job opportunities, etc and hopefully get more of those things. If you want to create wealth and success by subsidizing it, there's little point in subsidizing those people who are already wealthy and successful. Giving them incentives after-the-fact to help them achieve what they've already achieved doesn't do anyone any good. You instead have help people to travel the path to success, and ensure that the future generation has a path to success available to them and help them to walk it.
That means ensuring that children of poor parents are growing up in well-constructed healthy homes, that the food they are getting has all the vitamins and nutrients they need for healthy brain development, that they are getting a good education and learning the skills they will need to contribute to society with and earn a good wage and that they aren't prohibited by their poor finances from going as far in education as their intelligence can take them, and that they have career options available to them when they enter into the job market. If society is not doing those things, it ensures that children born into poor families have little chance of ever succeeding, whereas the children born into richer families will have all they need to succeed.
But conservatives instead seem to like to play games of blame-the-victim and praise-the-lucky. The child born into a poor family who doesn't succeed is told that it's a moral failing on their part, and they lack personal responsibility. Whereas the lucky who are born into better circumstances and succeed tell themselves and others how great they are and how everything they ever achieved in life is all due to themselves and their own hard work."Kahahaha! Let's get lunatic!"-Add LP
"And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Oh ye of little fiber. Do you not know what I've done for you? You will obey. ~Cerealman for Prez.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIf you want to create wealth and success by subsidizing it, there's little point in subsidizing those people who are already wealthy and successful. Giving them incentives after-the-fact to help them achieve what they've already achieved doesn't do anyone any good.
Here's an idea -- how bout you get your wealthy bleeding heart liberal billionaires to VOLUNTARILY divest themselves of their own earnings, and solve poverty THAT way!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI always thought the Democrats who opposed Civil Rights were conservative (at least wrt social issues) Democrats.
This is part of a bigger imaginatively creative reconstruction of history that many posters on this forum from Southern states subscribe to, that seeks to reinterpret themselves as not being the bad guys in the historical narratives about slavery and civil rights. They misuse the fact that the social conservatives used to belong to the Democrat party and the social progressives used to belong to the Republican party to try to draw a fake continuity between those people on the correct side of civil rights issues and themselves today."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostSo how would you answer likely questions such people may ask when encountering your ideas: why should certain things be ideally equal, given that people are certainly not equal in many respects, and when society has functioned for millenia without radical Western attempts to establish égalité? Which are the inequalities that should be minimised, and why? What are the costs of correcting such inequalites (because surely there's been some reason why they exist, and not necessarily either a) tradition or b) power-gaming)?Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe parties switched positions over the years. Cow Poke's being deliberately deceptive on the subject, as he regularly tries to do.
Which is why I clarified...Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThings sure have changed... there used to be Democrats who were more conservative than Republicans. Particularly Southern Democrats.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's an idea -- how bout you get your wealthy bleeding heart liberal billionaires to VOLUNTARILY divest themselves of their own earnings, and solve poverty THAT way!"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostRelatively few billionaires are economically left wing.
Please tell me you didn't say that with a straight face.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cerealman View PostStar why do I always find you arguing for giving black people an advantage and others a disadvantage?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt makes him feel good. It's what liberals are all about.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostI'm sure a paragon of consistency like yourself has no objection when some skeptics accuse Christians of blindly believing their religion only because the idea of an afterlife makes them feel good.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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