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Originally posted by seer View PostHe must have seen the movie "Tomorrowland" this week end. Liberal utopia...
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostI’m thinking of the really big picture of where civilisation is going based on how far we know it has come already. Our golden age is still ahead of us; not that there won’t be a few bumps in the road along the way.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHummm, you mean like the Russians 'trusted' the communist revolution to bring about change from the oppressive ways of the czars and ended up being worse than the czars ever were? Progress, without vision, doesn't seem to work out very well for anybody. While your blind faith is both amusing and scary, one of the major problems of your cult of progress is that it ignores the bad of human nature and only pretends it is the good that exist. There's plenty of examples, just is the 20th century alone, of a whole lot of very bad and horrible things happening in the name of progress to prove that progress, without any sort of real goal, doesn't seem to ever work out. Your cult of progress, doesn't seem to understand even the basics of human nature.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAKA 'Become enlightened and agree with me!'
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI don't ever recall saying it was, so what is that thing called again when you attack a pile of burning straw?
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHere, let us start here:
What is the goal of a marriage?
But for those who see marriage as principally about the family unit (i.e., spouses + children), we have sufficient empirical evidence showing that children of same-sex couples are developmentally similar to children of opposite-sex couples. It is unlikely, then, that any strong arguments against same-sex marriage can be made on the basis of the family unit.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThat is where it comes down to.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI've gotten different answers from Christians, but I assume you're of the opinion it's for children.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostHey, this works both ways. What do you think a Christian would see the goal of marriage and the thing it brings about?
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostWhich is?
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostIt has to do with what marriage is considered to be all about. The question that needs to be answered is what is marriage all about?
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostExplain further please.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou mean like when I said:
"Sometimes this might mean we need to change such as getting rid of slavery or dealing with racism. Sometimes we need to stick to our guns such as attempts wipe out the family unit."
See, the issue many have with gay marriage has nothing to do with hatred of gays or anything like it, it has to do with something else.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostAnd the issue many have with gay marriage on the other side of the coin has nothing to do with hatred of families or love loose morals.
What is the goal of a marriage?
Start with this question and lets work our way from here.
So the question is whether this is one of those issues to "stick to our guns" and, if so, for what purpose. I can understand the biblical or theological arguments; I can not understand the "wipe out the family unit" arguments.
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