Stop your whinging why the Left are such bad losers

[Darth Ovious]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...ad-losers.html

Less than 24 hours later, anti-Tory protestors had desecrated the Women of World War Two memorial on Whitehall. “• Edited by a Moderator • Tory Scum” was the charming note left in red graffiti. Laurie Penny, a darling of the Left, tweeted that she didn’t have a problem with the vandalism – she argued that the real vandals were sitting in Downing Street, breaking up the welfare state.

As you all know we are just after an election here in the UK. It was a resounding Conservative victory with a majority and they have 99 seats more than their closet opponents Labour. I did not vote this election as firstly I did not feel that any of the parties represented what I wanted and secondly I am up in Glasgow just now for a while my vote is down in England anyway, so didn't have the opportunity.

Labours loss in my opinion comes down to their shocking image. Their personalities are unbelievably rotten. I think people here voted for Conservatives not because they liked them but because they consider them the lesser of two evils. My fears were further confirmed afterwards when protesters took to protest outside the Conservative HQ after the result. Yep, that's right. They protested against what other people voted for and protested against their democratic right to vote for a party of their choosing. This is unbelievable.

Understand that I grew up in Scotland and I have hated the Conservatives in the UK all my life because of their past performance in regards to Scotland. However this has got me thinking that next time I should vote Conservative because there is no way I want THIS Labour party TO EVER become a government. Unless something in the Labour party seriously changes then I am not going to change my opinion.

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[Paprika]

I have hated the Conservatives in the UK all my life because of their past performance in regards to Scotland.

Vote UKIP.

[Darth Ovious]

Vote UKIP.

My point was I would tactically vote Conservative to stop Labour from getting in. I don't think UKIP are popular enough. There was a party called Justice for men and Boys who looked interesting but they only had candidates in two areas.

[seer]

Understand that I grew up in Scotland and I have hated the Conservatives in the UK all my life because of their past performance in regards to Scotland. However this has got me thinking that next time I should vote Conservative because there is no way I want THIS Labour party TO EVER become a government. Unless something in the Labour party seriously changes then I am not going to change my opinion.

I have been to Scotland, my favorite European country - by far. And didn't the Scotland Independence Party (I think that was the name) also win big?

[Paprika]

I don't think UKIP are popular enough.

Give it time. The immigrant situation can only get worse.

[Darth Ovious]

I have been to Scotland, my favorite European country - by far. And didn't the Scotland Independence Party (I think that was the name) also win big?

The Scottish National Party and yes they gained 40 seats. So they now have 56 out of the 59 seats in Scotland. It was a massive landslide. The thing is though they are a party towards the left really. I think they won big because as I mentioned before both Labour or Conservatives aren't actually any good. At least from a liberal perspective the SNP look OK.

[Darth Ovious]

Give it time. The immigrant situation can only get worse.

Actually I have a suspicion that a lot of the immigrants coming over are actually voting for Conservatives. The reason why I suspect this is because the biggest Conservative areas tend to be south of England, like in London. I'm pretty sure that London actually has a high immigrant population. If true it would be funny as it means Labour has been shooting themselves in the foot all these years by supporting a pretty open door policy.

[Rational Gaze]

[Rational Gaze]

As a side note, I think it is hilarious that delusional leftists like Laurie Penny thinks that WWII soldiers fought for 'the welfare state and the NHS.' Yeah. Something tells me your 'nana' would be very unimpressed with your support of desecrating war memorials.

[Darth Ovious]

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[Darth Ovious]

Just one challenge really. In terms of funding the NHS I think this is something that most voters here are going to want. So I don't think it was unwise of UKIP to have a policy stating they would provide funds for it. It's just them trying to win the votes.

[Rational Gaze]

Just one challenge really. In terms of funding the NHS I think this is something that most voters here are going to want. So I don't think it was unwise of UKIP to have a policy stating they would provide funds for it. It's just them trying to win the votes.

Indeed. Because people in the UK are trained dogs. Every time the NHS comes under fire for being crappy, burdensome, and bursting at the seams, the voting public come out in droves all barking that the NHS is the "envy of the world" even though it is second rate.

[Starlight]

Labours loss in my opinion comes down to their shocking image. Their personalities are unbelievably rotten.

I recall seeing a large study which concluded that in western democracies 85% of people cast their votes based on the persona of the party leaders and a very vague idea of what the party is about. Only 15% of people actually pay attention to actual policies or make any sort of informed voting decision based on actual issues. That would back up your assessment of why Labour lost by so much.

But, the other general consequence of that, is that those 15% of people who are clued-in on the actual issues, might distribute their votes quite differently to the rest of the population. If a party with terrible policies has a popular leader (or conversely, a party with good policies has a terrible leader), the 85% of people who vote on personality of leader will tend to distribute their votes in an opposite manner to the 15% who vote on policies. The consequence of this is that the wrong party might win, over and over again. People in the 15% group may start to get really really angry, because those are people who are informed about and care about the issues facing the country, and the elected politicians may be doing terrible things and following terrible policies.

So I can understand the current climate in the UK. Because, for example, if you did a national poll as to what people think should happen to the NHS, I suspect the results would come back overwhelmingly that the vast majority think the government should fund it more and that it should never ever ever be privatized. But that is not what the 85% of people saw themselves as voting on in the election - they largely saw themselves as voting about who they preferred as prime minister. So the 15% of politically interested people are now getting worked up into a frenzy over the fact that the democratically elected government is not following the will on the people on some very basic policy issues.

[Darth Ovious]

Indeed. Because people in the UK are trained dogs. Every time the NHS comes under fire for being crappy, burdensome, and bursting at the seams, the voting public come out in droves all barking that the NHS is the "envy of the world" even though it is second rate.

I think those people just ask for more investment really. It was the envy of a lot of nations in the past. It's the reason why Sweden now has one. They copied us in that regard. Whether or not we are better off with or without I don't know. However they recently opened the new hospital in Glasgow and it's actually pretty good really in terms of what it looks like, of course I know that doesn't do nothing for the service provided.

[Darth Executor]

Libertardians have pretty much lost the healthcare battle and the harder they get trounced the louder they scream that they've been right all along.