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Rape Culture: Why Yes can mean No
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostYou progressives can't be taken seriously as long as you still promote and excuse fake rape victims.
Given that drunken sex is one of the key scenarios during which campus raaaape occurs, your lack of comprehension should push you to a deeper analysis instead of spouting what is meaningless and trite.
Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostThey don't get that it isn't helpful to their case to make all women into helpless damsels in distress?Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostWho's doing that?
The Rolling Stone, for one, and the many feminist supporters who still try to avoid admitting it was a blatant lie and pleading people to focus on the narrative ' but but but think of actual victims', when crying wolf is one of the best ways to hurt actual victims.
You act as if campus rape is a complete myth and has never ever occurred.Last edited by Paprika; 05-09-2015, 10:08 AM.
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Originally posted by fm93 View Post
Because obviously literally every single feminist in the world does and thinks the exact same things in every single scenario, just like the billions of Christians in the world believe the exact same thing on ever single point.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe Rolling Stone
and the many feminist supporters who still try to avoid admitting it was a blatant lie
and pleading people to focus on the narrative ' but but but think of actual victims', when crying wolf is one of the best ways to hurt actual victims.
Nah, I'm pointing out that if you don't understand why drunk sex happens you're hardly in a position to discuss 'raaaape' arising from it.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostThese issues go way beyond mere "liberals vs conservatives," but anyhow, I'd say rape culture involves, for instance, fraternity members gathering near female dorms and chanting disgusting things like "No means yes, yes means anal!" and "My name is Jack, I'm a necrophiliac, I [censored] dead women and fill them with my semen." Or hearing accounts from rape victims and dismissing them with responses like "You were dressed a certain way, therefore you were asking for it" or "But you're so ugly, you should feel lucky that someone would want to rape you."
Or on a more generic level, acting as if rape is something casual to be tossed around, such as describing large margins of victory as "We friggin' RAPED the other team!"
With all that being said, I believe that real men don't put themselves or anyone else in situations of uncertainty at all. It's not easy to figure out whether a drunken "Yes" indicated genuine consent or not, but why would anyone have drunken sex in the first place? I thought sex was supposed to be something mutually enjoyed by both people; why would anyone ruin their own experience by drinking and thereby not fully remembering it the next morning?Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostYou act as if campus rape is a complete myth and has never ever occurred.
The Rolling Stone incident was quite an interesting one, where Jackie alleged that she was raped at a fraternity party. The Rolling Stone magazine obviously came out with an article over it proclaiming RAAAAAPPPPE!!!!! at the highest voice. After investigation though they found that the claim was completely fabricated. Jackie said she had been raped on glass and yet showed no signs of injury. The man she claimed raped her was an invention, the guy didn't even exist and that the fraternity did NOT host any party on the night in question when she claimed she was raped.
Then you have the Guardian's Jessica Valenti who then writes an article putting the blame on Rolling Stone for not checking their facts, while avoiding putting any blame on the false accuser. Not to mention that is hypocritical considering that Valenti has argued in the past that people should just believe rapes claims made by women without looking at any evidence for the claims.“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostYou mean the publication that explicitly and formally retracted its story and apologized for not having reviewed things more carefully?
I haven't seen anyone doing this.
So condemn that particular student for lying
I understand why it happens, and I'm pointing out that it's a silly, illogical thing to do. And you are, in fact, sending a strong impression of dismissiveness regarding rape by putting it on scare quotes and stretching it out like that.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostI was referring only to the ones that make those kind of claims. Not to all feminists. Just the wacky ones that make all feminists and females look like liviing stawmen.“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by Paprika View Post“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by Darth Ovious View PostWell if you want an example of a good feminist then you need to go and look at Christina Hoff Summers
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis level of naivete tells me that your prior examples do not come from personal experience, but from news/op eds which are invariably skewed towards the extreme (and therefore news-worthy). People like to drink socially because alcohol lowers inhibitions so they're less nervous about speaking and interacting with others. Not infrequently, inhibitions are lowered sufficiently that people will consent to do things they would never do while sober. This is not rocket science; it has been going on since people figured out how to make alcohol.
Originally posted by Paprika View PostTrigger Warning - Doubleplusungoodthink
Or Camille Paglia:Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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When I was student, there was an estimate of there being atleast one rape per weekend at the on Campus residence. And we're not talking about a situation where there is any doubt about consent.
Some of my brother's Civil Engineering students put a stop to one that was going happen in an empty classroom (the girl was screaming loud enough to be heard)
The on campus residence also had an estimated 2 AK47's per bed, so there was no way campus security was going to try stop things.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
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Originally posted by Darth Ovious View PostThe point is they use this excuse when it is isn't true. Even if cases where the pre-nup was signed knowing full well what the situation would be you see cases afterwards where the pre-nup gets thrown out."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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