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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostYou have proof of that?"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell yes I did. Show me where I misquoted anything.
Were the philosophers here proposing that parents not give their children the advantage of reading at bedtime?"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostSince the philosophers interviewed never proposed "pull[ing] down and destroy[ing]" the family unit, it seems pretty clear. If anything, the philosophers were proposing strengthening the family unit by encouraging systems or policies that focus on the highest developmental benefit of families. Nowhere were parents considered evil for providing their kids advantages, certainly not such advantages as reading at bedtime.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Sam View PostSince the philosophers interviewed never proposed "pull[ing] down and destroy[ing]" the family unit, it seems pretty clear. If anything, the philosophers were proposing strengthening the family unit by encouraging systems or policies that focus on the highest developmental benefit of families. Nowhere were parents considered evil for providing their kids advantages, certainly not such advantages as reading at bedtime.
According to Swift, from a purely instrumental position the answer is straightforward.
‘One way philosophers might think about solving the social justice problem would be by simply abolishing the family. If the family is this source of unfairness in society then it looks plausible to think that if we abolished the family there would be a more level playing field.’
‘What we realised we needed was a way of thinking about what it was we wanted to allow parents to do for their children, and what it was that we didn’t need to allow parents to do for their children, if allowing those activities would create unfairnesses for other people’s children’.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYour analysis didn't match the content of the article, unless you want to throw a blanket "evil liberal" on any philosopher (including Plato & Aristotle) who seeks to examine the value and function of family as it relates to development.
Were the philosophers here proposing that parents not give their children the advantage of reading at bedtime?Plato pulled few punches in The Republic when he called for the abolition of the family and for the children of the elite to be given over to the state. Aristotle didn’t agree, citing the since oft-used argument of the neglect of things held in common. Swift echoes the Aristotelian line. The break-up of the family is plausible maybe, he thinks, but even to the most hard-hearted there’s something off-key about it.Last edited by seer; 05-05-2015, 02:33 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostSo, you GUESS that he didn't read it based on your assumptions of how Seer would analyze the article (or the summary of it)."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostAnd if they were smarter still they would realise that there exists inequalities that are insurmountable (unless you want to mentally and physically retard the hell out of everyone) and resolve to deal with the inequalities and class systems that they engender (together with other factors, of course).“I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
I guess feeding your children and giving them love is an unfair advantage, so we should turn them all out on the streets, dressed in rags and let them fend for themselves.
Who said you had to be "fair" in the first place? I think parents should give their kids any advantage they can. That's what parents do.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo evil was my take on it, and it is.
What they allow?Originally posted by seer View PostYes that is evil.
Yeah, clearly didn't read the article.
Although the headline "Philosophers expound on concepts from Plato's "Republic", elicit wingnut reaction" really does get to the heart of a lot of problems ..."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostNo, his subsequent posts are fairly indicative. He can surely answer how these "evil liberals" are going to "pull down and destroy loving families" by such tyrannical means as hypothetically eliminating "elite [private] schooling".
Sure Sam:
What we realised we needed was a way of thinking about what it was we wanted to allow parents to do for their children, and what it was that we didn’t need to allow parents to do for their children, if allowing those activities would create unfairnesses for other people’s children’.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSure Sam:
What does it mean to allow or not allow parents...."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostNo, his subsequent posts are fairly indicative.
He can surely answer how these "evil liberals" are going to "pull down and destroy loving families" by such tyrannical means as hypothetically eliminating "elite [private] schooling".That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAgain, you GUESS based on your evaluation of his analysis. But you have no proof that he didn't read the article outside of your opinion.
An analysis again. Bot no proof that Seer "didn't read the source article". You don't like his conclusion, that's one thing. But declaring that he "didn't read the source article" is another.
If seer would rather that I say he clearly didn't understand the plain English that made up the content of the article, we can go with that. The problem — that he and others here are shrieking absurdities that are at odds with the source article's content — remains."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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I don't have any children, so my non-existent children are at a clear disadvantage to those children that exist. This is not fair! I think all existing children should be euthanized (humanely and without harm to any animals of course) to make a fair and level playing ground for non-existent children like mine.
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