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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jesse View Post
    I am not sure what you are trying to argue here. Anyone who shoots up an exhibit being attended by random people is clearly not all there mentally.
    From the perspective of Islam, this is not the case. Are not those who attend implicitly supporting the blaspheming of Muhammed?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Jesse View Post
      I am not sure what you are trying to argue here. Anyone who shoots up an exhibit being attended by random people is clearly not all there mentally.
      Since One Bad Pig is willing to explain, I don't think I want to bother any more:

      Lots of you conservatives claim that Islam promotes jihad etc etc; from that premise it follows that jihad is rational for a Muslim, yet here you are claiming that someone who is actually trying to carry it out is nutty.
      Last edited by Paprika; 05-04-2015, 12:35 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        From the perspective of Islam, this is not the case. Are not those who attend implicitly supporting the blaspheming of Muhammed?
        I would say that yes they are supporting blasphemy of Muhammed. However, We have how many billions of Muslims around the world? The majority do not seem to follow these hadiths. I think we can take that as a sign that maybe those that kill others for drawing pictures of Muhammed are not speaking for the entire worldview.
        "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Paprika View Post
          Since One Bad Pig is willing to explain, I don't think I want to bother any more:

          Lots of you conservatives claim that Islam promotes jihad etc etc; from that premise it follows that jihad is rational for a Muslim, yet here you are claiming that someone who is actually trying to carry it out is nutty.
          I'm not sure why you think I should be lumped in with the conservative movement. I haven't stated anywhere that all Muslims are promoting jihad. Not sure where you are pulling all of this out from.
          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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          • #20
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            From the perspective of Islam, this is not the case. Are not those who attend implicitly supporting the blaspheming of Muhammed?
            It takes a certain kind of mindset to resort to murder based on perceived blasphemous words.
            That's what
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Jesse View Post
              I am not sure what you are trying to argue here. Anyone who shoots up an exhibit being attended by random people is clearly not all there mentally.
              Or is doing it as a partisan for his side in an ancient war. Darth is simply acknowledging that war's existence and pressing for us to take decisive action in it rather than denying it by claiming "law enforcement issue" and "couple of kooks." Decent people of either side may not always want to perform such acts, but decent people don't make the decisions on those issues. Therefore they will be either fleeced by their own "kooks", (whom they fail to root out,) whether they want to or not, or exploded by the righteous anger of civilized and intelligent human beings (Darth.)

              Such is the life of one who avoids confrontation and the difficulties it entails. Statistically, it's a peaceful life, but if you wanted peace, you wouldn't be here asking questions about the nature of things, would you?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                It takes a certain kind of mindset to resort to murder based on perceived blasphemous words.
                ..which is fully in line with the founder of Islam's mindset.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  ..which is fully in line with the founder of Islam's mindset.
                  When we are talking about depictions of Muhammad, this isn't true. There is quite a history of depictions of Muhammad. I think the majority of Muslims know this and it's why only a handful follow the hadiths for this.

                  If you are shooting up or beheading people because you think a book tells you too, you are probably crazy.
                  "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                  • #24
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
                      Or is doing it as a partisan for his side in an ancient war. Darth is simply acknowledging that war's existence and pressing for us to take decisive action in it rather than denying it by claiming "law enforcement issue" and "couple of kooks." Decent people of either side may not always want to perform such acts, but decent people don't make the decisions on those issues. Therefore they will be either fleeced by their own "kooks", (whom they fail to root out,) whether they want to or not, or exploded by the righteous anger of civilized and intelligent human beings (Darth.)

                      Such is the life of one who avoids confrontation and the difficulties it entails. Statistically, it's a peaceful life, but if you wanted peace, you wouldn't be here asking questions about the nature of things, would you?
                      plz stop using "Darth" as a proper noun, it's a title and it becomes confusing when multiple people carry it.
                      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                        And they're hardly nuts;
                        Correct, they are not nuts. They are just evil.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #27
                          What a clear difference between a country where cops carry guns and a country where cops don't.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #28
                            Watching the news now. They're saying the unarmed security guard was shot in the leg. A single police officer with a pistol apparently killed both the bad guys. I'd like to applaud the very fine shooting on that officer's part.
                            "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by myth View Post
                              Watching the news now. They're saying the unarmed security guard was shot in the leg. A single police officer with a pistol apparently killed both the bad guys. I'd like to applaud the very fine shooting on that officer's part.
                              Yes, that was good shooting - especially in light of the fact, as the reports are saying, that he was under fire at the time.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by myth View Post
                                Watching the news now. They're saying the unarmed security guard was shot in the leg. A single police officer with a pistol apparently killed both the bad guys. I'd like to applaud the very fine shooting on that officer's part.
                                I heard it was a single officer, but I didn't know it was a handgun - I thought he must have gotten a long gun out of his car. And, supposedly, the bad guys were wearing some kind of body armor.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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