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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe fact that there needs to be extensive argumentation for this instead of it being common sense only reveals how far the fall has been."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostWhich reveals how great the fall had been.
Next."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostSuch curt dismissal of the earlier voices of the church
I was criticising them for their blatantly unScriptural view on violence but not dismissing all that they have to say.
is audacious.
Try again.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe most relevant Bible verse here seems to be "blessed are the peacemakers". But sometimes I wonder exactly what Jesus had in mind. Did he mean interpersonal peace (as in mediating between people who are feuding), or physical violence, or both?
I tend to think it goes too far to read any sort of overarching philosophy of pacifism into Jesus' words. Just because he choose to use non-violent means to further his movement, doesn't necessarily imply any sort of systematic endorsement of a paradigm of pacifism. Although his words are obviously consistent with such a view, they don't really mandate it. Although, as you note, the relatively widespread nature of general commitment to pacifism within the early Christian church is an interesting factor worth considering (in the sense that it may serve as a general indication of what Jesus' teachings were, beyond what is preserved in the gospels and/or tells us how the gospel teachings were understood in that cultural context)."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by TheBaldie View PostPacifism is an ideal that should be striven for"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Postthe relatively widespread nature of general commitment to pacifism within the early Christian church"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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