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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, we could set them back ten or fifteen years. Then do it again. If they want to hide these sites among their population then that is on them. I see no peaceful way to prevent Iran from getting nukes."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostHow so? That's definitely "Citation Needed" territory to argue that we could set Iran's nuclear program back 10-15 years with minimal surgical strikes.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm not speaking of minimal surgical strikes, I'm speaking of the utter destruction of their main sites. So Sam do you want Iran to get the bomb? How would you prevent it?
Insomuch as such a thing can be prevented, the best chance to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon is diplomacy, specifically the deal being haggled over now. Without some sort of negotiation done in good faith, economic sanctions from Russia and China can't hold and Iran has no incentive not to pursue building a nuclear device as a deterrent. So a diplomatic solution may very well provide the path to deterring Iran for a decade. Military action certainly won't unless you're willing to chalk up tens to hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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As a non-Yankee, I am appalled (though obviously not surprised, because empire gotta empire) that it is assumed that it is all perfectly fine to invade another country or otherwise conduct airstrikes against it when no conflict with it exists at this point.
But to my main point: attacking Iran is the perfect way to convince it to go full steam on nuclear to protect its sovereignty and interests; it will learn from North Korea, who developed nukes and would be the only member of the 'Axis of Evil' remaining untouched.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostInsomuch as such a thing can be prevented, the best chance to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon is diplomacy, specifically the deal being haggled over now. Without some sort of negotiation done in good faith, economic sanctions from Russia and China can't hold and Iran has no incentive not to pursue building a nuclear device as a deterrent. So a diplomatic solution may very well provide the path to deterring Iran for a decade. Military action certainly won't unless you're willing to chalk up tens to hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo basically Iran will get nukes."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostIn all likelihood, yes. Given that very likely reality, the only question is which Iran do you want to have nukes? The one with a very modest moderate party and a generation of citizens hungry for political reform or the one who just spent five years burying their family members who were killed by a series of "preemptive" military attacks?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostGive me a break. Once they have nukes there will be nothing to stop them. These countries are not getting more moderate, but less. Not less dangerous but more."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostStop them from what?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostStart with destroying Israel which they vowed to do? And this will also usher in a nuclear arms race in the region.
Attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon would be clear and certain suicide for Iran. And if there's one thing decades of living with this Iranian regime has proved, it's that the regime is anything but suicidal. Israel's "destruction" is useful rhetoric for hardliners on both sides and nothing more. Iran's goal isn't to launch a nuclear attack on Israel; it's goal is to be the dominant regional power. And if it gets a nuclear weapon, that weapon will be used as they generally have been: as a deterrent and as an implicit standing threat.
But your solution doesn't prevent Iran from building a nuclear device, any road. So then you'd still have to deal with a nuclear Iran. Only now it's an Iran where the hardliners have been proved right and any meaningful opposition to their views has been wiped out completely."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by seer View PostStart with destroying Israel which they vowed to do?
And this will also usher in a nuclear arms race in the region.
That is why Israel is so firmly against Iranian nukes.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostWell, if anyone "started" the nuclear arms race in the region, it'd have to be Israel.
Attacking Israel with a nuclear weapon would be clear and certain suicide for Iran. And if there's one thing decades of living with this Iranian regime has proved, it's that the regime is anything but suicidal. Israel's "destruction" is useful rhetoric for hardliners on both sides and nothing more. Iran's goal isn't to launch a nuclear attack on Israel; it's goal is to be the dominant regional power. And if it gets a nuclear weapon, that weapon will be used as they generally have been: as a deterrent and as an implicit standing threat.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostThe leadership are hardly suicidal.
Which will help to shift balance of power away from the only nuclear state in the region: Israel.
That is why Israel is so firmly against Iranian nukes.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense, Israel has had nukes for decades and it hasn't started an arms race.
Originally posted by seer View PostRight, so we shouldn't believe them when they say that want to annihilate the Jews. We know how well that worked out in the 30s. Why on earth shouldn't the Jewish state take Iran's goals at face value? Because you liberals think it is rhetoric? Really Sam? And for decades Iran has not had the means to destroy the Jewish state - now they will. And they are not suicidal since their reward will be in the afterlife. They are not killing themselves they are gaining everlasting life."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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