Assisted Suicide.

[Sea of red]

Let's talk about it.

What are the best arguments for or against?

[Leonhard]

Murder is wrong.

[Epoetker]

For: An emotional demand that the lack of responsibility or forethought on the part of the suicider and his family be honored unequivocally.

Against: Pretty much everything else.

[Sea of red]

Murder is wrong.

Murder would be taking another life.

[Sea of red]

For: An emotional demand that the lack of responsibility or forethought on the part of the suicider and his family be honored unequivocally.

Against: Pretty much everything else.

What?

[Leonhard]

Murder would be taking another life.

I thought we were talking about assisted suicide, and not merely suicide.

But in case you're wondering, I'm against the making and selling of do-it-yourself suicide kits as well.

[Sea of red]

I thought we were talking about assisted suicide, and not merely suicide.

But in case you're wondering, I'm against the making and selling of do-it-yourself suicide kits as well.

I'm sorry that was my mistake.

In any case, I think it is more humane to assist somebody in committing suicide, rather than them possibly use measures that can harm others.

Feel free to offer your opinion on simple suicide as well.

[Leonhard]

In any case, I think it is more humane to assist somebody in committing suicide, rather than them possibly use measures that can harm others.

I agree, but bhat would make it less wrong, in as much as it is less wrong to murder a mafia boss who threatens your family, than its wrong to murder someone who's never threatened you. Both would be wrong, since in neither case would you have the right to assassinate these people.

You'd need to establish, that what the person does can't be categorized as murder. To do that, you must start by defending the act in itself: suicide.

I mean its no use defending having someone to assist a guy killing himself, if the act of killing yourself already is wrong.

[Sea of red]

I agree, but bhat would make it less wrong, in as much as it is less wrong to murder a mafia boss who threatens your family, than its wrong to murder someone who's never threatened you. Both would be wrong, since in neither case would you have the right to assassinate these people.

You'd need to establish, that what the person does can't be categorized as murder. To do that, you must start by defending the act in itself: suicide.

I mean its no use defending having someone to assist a guy killing himself, if the act of killing yourself already is wrong.

It is my opinion that our body is our property and ours alone, so if we chose to terminate it's functions it's our right to do so.

[Leonhard]

It is my opinion that our body is our property and ours alone, so if we chose to terminate it's functions it's our right to do so.

Its certainly hard to imagine a state law that would forbid those actions. You can't arrest someone who's committed suicide. And I could grant you what you say, but it would still be wrong to commit suicide. Just as one can use properties legally in ways that are utterly detrimental to your health, life and happiness (I'm assuming you're a utilitarian, so I'm arguing on that basis for now).

So I don't think you can answer this question merely from property rights arguments.

[Leonhard]

Anyway its past my bedtime, goodnight.

[Jedidiah]

It is my opinion that our body is our property and ours alone, so if we chose to terminate it's functions it's our right to do so.

I agree with this entirely. One problem I have is the well documented experience of families pressuring terminal, or seriously incapacitated dependents to take this route. I also am convinced that there are no where near enough thought given to people falsely using supposed "assisted suicide" as a means to murder. If someone wants to commit suicide there are plenty of ways available.

[Sea of red]

I agree with this entirely. One problem I have is the well documented experience of families pressuring terminal, or seriously incapacitated dependents to take this route. I also am convinced that there are no where near enough thought given to people falsely using supposed "assisted suicide" as a means to murder. If someone wants to commit suicide there are plenty of ways available.

All of which will get you handcuffed and chained to a bed by the government.

Then you get pumped full of anti-depressants.

[Darth Executor]

All of which will get you handcuffed and chained to a bed by the government.

Then you get pumped full of anti-depressants.

If you fail. People usually fail because they didn't really want to die.

[Adrift]

I agree with this entirely.

Hmm. As a Christian, how do you reconcile that with 1 Corinthians 6:19-20?

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.