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  • #46
    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
    Or everybody could at least do the most basic amount of research instead of spouting facts one simply presumes to be true.
    Or one could possibly realize that the research is dominated by those with a specific viewpoint and are making value judgments and classifying them as science.
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    Stephen R. Donaldson

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    • #47
      @PM, the problem is it's a very valid issue for sports bodies.

      There are athletes (and countries) out there who are willing to go to any extreme in order to win gold. (heck look at the Tour de France, for the one year where they've stripped Armstrong of his medal you have to go to the rider who came around 27th before you find someone who hasn't been in a doping scandal).

      The Athletics bodies have already had some issues with this, and that is just dealing with people who are generally born as woman, but with high testosterone levels etc. (I think there is still the question of the one Indian athlete who another female athlete claims tried to rape her, and that apparently she had some ....uhhhh.... plumbing that would have made it possible).

      I'm certainly not accusing Jenner of this (it's not like he's stil competeing at that level, nor is he trying to compete in the woman's events). But it is a very difficult situation that I don't think they have a clear answer to (and Adrift has already mentioned a UFC case where he woman competitors are complaining)
      "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
      -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

      Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
      1 Corinthians 16:13

      "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
      -Ben Witherington III

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        Or one could possibly realize that the research is dominated by those with a specific viewpoint and are making value judgments and classifying them as science.
        That's your excuse for being ignorant. The viewpoints of researchers has no hold on what the research itself says if it is carried out properly.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Raphael View Post
          @PM, the problem is it's a very valid issue for sports bodies.

          There are athletes (and countries) out there who are willing to go to any extreme in order to win gold. (heck look at the Tour de France, for the one year where they've stripped Armstrong of his medal you have to go to the rider who came around 27th before you find someone who hasn't been in a doping scandal).

          The Athletics bodies have already had some issues with this, and that is just dealing with people who are generally born as woman, but with high testosterone levels etc. (I think there is still the question of the one Indian athlete who another female athlete claims tried to rape her, and that apparently she had some ....uhhhh.... plumbing that would have made it possible).

          I'm certainly not accusing Jenner of this (it's not like he's stil competeing at that level, nor is he trying to compete in the woman's events). But it is a very difficult situation that I don't think they have a clear answer to (and Adrift has already mentioned a UFC case where he woman competitors are complaining)
          I agree, it's a complicated topic with no clear answer. I don't think there will ever be a clear answer. That's a separate topic from willful ignorance about fundamentally related issues.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
            That's your excuse for being ignorant. The viewpoints of researchers has no hold on what the research itself says if it is carried out properly.
            He's saying it's not being carried out properly.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by thewriteranon View Post
              I discovered the other day that I am actually a Chinese woman.
              I'm a black lesbian and you can't deny that I'm one otherwise you are oppressing me.

              http://i.imgur.com/MX3LmzW.png
              “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis

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              • #52
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                What do you mean by accept? For years the couple sitting in front of me, in my conservative Church, was a lesbian couple. They were loved and accepted, but their behavior was not, they knew that and were fine with it. We all got along. Really Tass, you can love people without accepting everything they do - you probably practice that ideal in your own life.
                Well he already admits he doesn't accept what Christians do.
                “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don’t recommend Christianity.” - C.S. Lewis

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                  He's saying it's not being carried out properly.
                  Viewpoints and value judgments are independent of methodology. I doubt he has even read a single relevant study's abstract.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                    That's your excuse for being ignorant. The viewpoints of researchers has no hold on what the research itself says if it is carried out properly.
                    ... just You are a hoot PM!!
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                      I doubt he has even read a single relevant study's abstract.
                      You'd be horribly wrong then. As usual.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Darth Ovious View Post
                        Well he already admits he doesn't accept what Christians do.
                        Correct. Christians are like seer's lesbian couple sitting in front of him in church.
                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • #57
                          Of all people, Rick Santorum might be the last person in the world I'd expect to accept Jenner's claim to be a woman:

                          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-san...he-is-a-woman/
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            Of all people, Rick Santorum might be the last person in the world I'd expect to accept Jenner's claim to be a woman:

                            http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rick-san...he-is-a-woman/
                            The T-War has only just begun. Who shall still stand when it is over?

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              Correct. Christians are like seer's lesbian couple sitting in front of him in church.
                              And your point is?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by seer View Post
                                And your point is?
                                As per you with your lesbians, I socialise with Christian's despite my disapproval of what they do and believe in - not there are many practising Christians in enlightened Aussie-land, and virtually none in the gentle Buddha-land of Thailand.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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