They Will Ruin Our Military!

[Sparko]

That depends on what a backpack-full of equipment needs to be. Equipment can be made very light these days.

The makeup alone weighs 50 lbs in a typical woman's purse, so a backpack should not be any problem at all.

[seer]

The makeup alone weighs 50 lbs in a typical woman's purse, so a backpack should not be any problem at all.

Ouch!

[Epoetker]

The use of "It works for Israel" is simply not a good argument for so many reasons.

It does work when it comes time to talk about border fences and immigration policy.

[Sparko]

Ouch!

I once hid a brick in a friend's purse. She carried it around for a week, not noticing until I told her about it (over the phone of course, I didn't want to be hit by it)

[Psychic Missile]

Please, no one is blaming women like “It’s all your fault that the battle was lost because you got injured and the males naturally turned to help you instead of fighting”.

Rather, it was observed that the presence of women tends to be disruptive and hence counterproductive. Which is why so few serve in combat roles in Israel.

The argument is women joined ground forces but men behaved poorly, therefore women should not join ground forces. The fault in this argument is obvious.

[Cow Poke]

I don't see how it's fair to blame women for male soldiers not performing their duty.

Who's blaming women? And that's only one component.

[Darth Executor]

The argument is women joined ground forces but men behaved poorly, therefore women should not join ground forces. The fault in this argument is obvious.

The fault is of the idiot who let the women join in the first place. The problem with you is that you think like this:

1. Women should be allowed because equality even though they are inferior soldiers and letting them in requires lowering standards and making the entire military less individually effective on average
2. Men try to protect the women instead of carrying out their orders. This is viewed as abnormal and a bad thing under liberal degeneracy.
3. Therefore the men are to blame.

At no point is the effectiveness of the military ever taken into account because it's all a status jockeying game to you (which is why you focus on the irrelevance of whether women are to blame or not). Women are denied access to a certain high status position, and something must be done regardless of the impact it has on anything else.

Here's how normal people interested in a functioning military think:

1. Women are physically inferior to men, to a degree most people fail to comprehend.
2. Men have a natural impulse to disregard their tasks and jump to the aid of the women, requiring that additional money and time be wasted making them even less human than military training already does, further dragging down the effectiveness of the military and making it even harder for them to integrate back into society after their service
3. There is zero reason to care about the status and career ambitions of any individual, let alone an individual who is highly likely to be a sub-par soldier.
4. Therefore it's better to just keep women out of combat units.

[Paprika]

The argument is women joined ground forces but men behaved poorly, therefore women should not join ground forces. The fault in this argument is obvious.

No one is blaming the women involved, correspondingly no one is blaming the men involved for obeying their instincts. However since the effectiveness of the military force is the goal and not egalitarianism of the womyn, Israelis keep most women out of combat.

Egalitarianism of the womyn actually harms them not least because it pushes them into taking physical loads that leads to much more injuries but the egalitarians clearly don't care.

[Psychic Missile]

Who's blaming women? And that's only one component.

You said that the most outstanding incident cited to you as a reason the military was reconsidering woman soldiers was because men behaved poorly.

[Epoetker]

You said that the most outstanding incident cited to you as a reason the military was reconsidering woman soldiers was because men behaved naturally.

Fixed.

[Cow Poke]

You said that the most outstanding incident cited to you as a reason the military was reconsidering woman soldiers was because men behaved poorly.

Wow. No, they weren't behaving poorly - nor did I say that! They were behaving as gentlemen. And I was recounting what a former IDF female Officer said. There's nothing there about "blaming women" unless you MAKE it that.... any more than you would "blame women" if people were to feel more upset about a woman soldier being tortured and raped than a man being tortured.

But feel free to play silly games.

[Psychic Missile]

The fault is of the idiot who let the women join in the first place. The problem with you is that you think like this:

1. Women should be allowed because equality even though they are inferior soldiers and letting them in requires lowering standards and making the entire military less individually effective on average
2. Men try to protect the women instead of carrying out their orders. This is viewed as abnormal and a bad thing under liberal degeneracy.
3. Therefore the men are to blame.

At no point is the effectiveness of the military ever taken into account because it's all a status jockeying game to you (which is why you focus on the irrelevance of whether women are to blame or not). Women are denied access to a certain high status position, and something must be done regardless of the impact it has on anything else.

Here's how normal people interested in a functioning military think:

1. Women are physically inferior to men, to a degree most people fail to comprehend.
2. Men have a natural impulse to disregard their tasks and jump to the aid of the women, requiring that additional money and time be wasted making them even less human than military training already does, further dragging down the effectiveness of the military and making it even harder for them to integrate back into society after their service
3. There is zero reason to care about the status and career ambitions of any individual, let alone an individual who is highly likely to be a sub-par soldier.
4. Therefore it's better to just keep women out of combat units.

Your characterization of my argument is a straw man, and you are not qualified to determine what normal people think.

[Psychic Missile]

No one is blaming the women involved, correspondingly no one is blaming the men involved for obeying their instincts. However since the effectiveness of the military force is the goal and not egalitarianism of the womyn, Israelis keep most women out of combat.

Egalitarianism of the womyn actually harms them not least because it pushes them into taking physical loads that leads to much more injuries but the egalitarians clearly don't care.

Penalizing a group of people because of something a different group of people did requires misdirected blame.

[Psychic Missile]

Wow. No, they weren't behaving poorly - nor did I say that! They were behaving as gentlemen. And I was recounting what a former IDF female Officer said. There's nothing there about "blaming women" unless you MAKE it that.... any more than you would "blame women" if people were to feel more upset about a woman soldier being tortured and raped than a man being tortured.

But feel free to play silly games.

Men withdrawing from combat when they should not be is not behaving poorly? Penalizing women because of something men did is not blaming women? It looks like you're the one playing games.

[Cow Poke]

Penalizing a group of people because of something a different group of people did requires misdirected blame.

So, when we KNOW that the presence of one group, for whatever reason, degrades unit effectiveness, let's just totally ignore that factor for fear of "blaming" one group even though it may get ALL groups killed.

I hope that sounded better in your head, PM.