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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI'm more curious to hear about "hate speech": what it should include, what it shouldn't include, etc. Not so much examples like yelling "fire" in a theater.
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As a person living in Finland I'm automatically qualified to comment on US policies and I think the US should make the act of criticizing anything or anyone at all fall under the definition of hate speech and make it punishable by inprisonment for life.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAs a person living in Finland I'm automatically qualified to comment on US policies and I think the US should make the act of criticizing anything or anyone at all fall under the definition of hate speech and make it punishable by inprisonment for life.
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Hate speech laws are counterproductive in my view. Hate speech is generally illegal in western Europe, but racism hasn't been curtailed there at all; a very high population of France's population admits to being anti-Semitic and seemingly every week there's a racial event at some European soccer game. I suspect that driving hate speech underground makes it seem more attractive, whereas if it's allowed in the open it can be be challenged.
Also, from a Christian perspective, it's concerning. A Swedish pastor was prosecuted a few years ago for preaching against homosexuality and his language was really no stronger than what you would find in the Bible."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostHate speech laws are counterproductive in my view. Hate speech is generally illegal in western Europe, but racism hasn't been curtailed there at all; a very high population of France's population admits to being anti-Semitic and seemingly every week there's a racial event at some European soccer game. I suspect that driving hate speech underground makes it seem more attractive, whereas if it's allowed in the open it can be be challenged.
Also, from a Christian perspective, it's concerning. A Swedish pastor was prosecuted a few years ago for preaching against homosexuality and his language was really no stronger than what you would find in the Bible.
Here's a 'thing' happening here that I think has some analogies. The conservative government has just announced it is withdrawing chid care supplements and tax benefits from people who do not vaccinate their children. Government interference? Or public good? In a similar way, I think the value of free speech has to carefully weighed against the potential harm to the community said speech may encourage. I still think idiots should be allowed full reign to their idiocy. I used to think exposing them would let people see they're intellectually barren. Now, I'm not so sure because ... many people are dumb.
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostI'm not sure where I stand. Usually, I'm very pro free speech, regardless. I think banning things makes them attractive.
Here's a 'thing' happening here that I think has some analogies. The conservative government has just announced it is withdrawing chid care supplements and tax benefits from people who do not vaccinate their children. Government interference? Or public good? In a similar way, I think the value of free speech has to carefully weighed against the potential harm to the community said speech may encourage. I still think idiots should be allowed full reign to their idiocy. I used to think exposing them would let people see they're intellectually barren. Now, I'm not so sure because ... many people are dumb."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostBig discussion. Possibly a new thread I think. At first blush, the good old yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre is a good one. Next might be speech that directly encourages violence.
The only thing I can think of that he doesn't defend is child pornography... and while one can argue that it isn't speech per se, he does devote a chapter to pornography in general.
https://mises.org/library/defending-undefendable"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostAre you sure?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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I don't get the point of these threads... Both conservatives and liberals can be morons, and some clearly are.... is there any point to making a vague omnibus thread for stupid "liberal" things and stupid "conservative" things."It's evolution; every time you invent something fool-proof, the world invents a better fool."
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Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostI don't get the point of these threads... Both conservatives and liberals can be morons, and some clearly are.... is there any point to making a vague omnibus thread for stupid "liberal" things and stupid "conservative" things.
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