Gay guy finds out you can't legislate away reality, hilarity ensues

[Darth Executor]

That's an oddly specific "imagined" scenario

You're right to put it in quotation marks, it's not "imagined" so much as iconic.

[fm93]

I'm just floored by what relevance your posts about the evils/dangers of homosexuality have in regard to my gay friends who are in committed, stable relationships with their partners and do not engage in any of the practices that you've mentioned.

[Starlight]

You're right to put it in quotation marks, it's not "imagined" so much as iconic.

Hmm, too much information on your porn-watching habits.

[Starlight]

I'm just floored by what relevance your posts about the evils/dangers of homosexuality have in regard to my gay friends who are in committed, stable relationships with their partners and do not engage in any of the practices that you've mentioned.

I think this has been primarily what has triggered the shift in public opinion on gay rights. Subsequent to the legalization of gay sex, increasing numbers of gay people have come out. Prior to that, the crazies could demonize gay people all they liked, and successfully drum up fear and hatred of the unknown gays who were supposedly having weird sex in weird places and out to get everyone, and the average person didn't know any better. But now the average person knows about 1-4 people who are gay, and so when someone demonizes them, the average person doesn't even take the crazy claims at all seriously because they simply don't apply to the gay people that the person knows.

[Darth Executor]

I'm just floored by what relevance your posts about the evils/dangers of homosexuality have in regard to my gay friends who are in committed, stable relationships with their partners and do not engage in any of the practices that you've mentioned.

I didn't realize you kept 24/7 surveillance on all your gay friends' sex lives.

[Darth Executor]

I think this has been primarily what has triggered the shift in public opinion on gay rights.

That's probably true, round the clock propaganda about how the average gay is just like straight people except he likes men reinforced by entertainment written to present an alternate reality made people think that gays really are otherwise normal people whereas in reality the gays who are otherwise normal people are a very small minority. Fortunately it's a lot harder to hide statistics or the lack of self control of many gay activists so those of us who actually form decisions based on data rather than "I don't see my gay friends meeting new guys through holes drilled in bathroom stalls therefore it doesn't happen" type tortured logic.

[Starlight]

That's probably true, round the clock propaganda about how the average gay is just like straight people except he likes men

Or like, finding out that a couple of people that I've been friends with for years are actually gay. Had they not told me, I would never have known, because they're no different to any of my other friends. Or when I meet new people, finding out that some of them are gay, because I'd never have known had I not been told.

reinforced by entertainment written to present an alternate reality made people think that gays really are otherwise normal people whereas in reality the gays who are otherwise normal people are a very small minority.

Your obsession with this as being media driven is a little bizarre. From what I've seen, the media actually seems to perpetuate false stereotypes about gay people more than anything else. I've had more than one gay person comment to me that it took them years to realize they were gay simply because they couldn't identify themselves with any of the public stereotypes about what gay people were like (eg flamboyant, effeminate, into fashion, into interior decorating, speaking with a lisp etc), and that they don't think any of those stereotypes are actually true of the gay population in general. Gay people seem to be no different to straight people, other than being attracted to people of the same sex: It's just like how guys who like brunettes aren't significantly different to guys who like blondes.

Fortunately it's a lot harder to hide statistics or the lack of self control of many gay activists so those of us who actually form decisions based on data

The idea of you basing any of your crazy views on data is hilarious.

I didn't realize you kept 24/7 surveillance on all your gay friends' sex lives.

Some of us talk to our friends occasionally. Straight, or gay, they occasionally volunteer enough information to get a general sense of things. One of the several gay guys I know is quite promiscuous, and once a news article about a famous straight man getting up to some quite unusual sexual acts with women came up in conversation, and my friend's comment in passing was that he thought it was bizarre that so many straight people liked things a bit kinky, because none of the many guys he'd slept with had been into anything beyond the basics.

[Darth Executor]

In related news, the taxpayer funded Boy Bonkers Corporation takes a principled stand in the fight for gay rights:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...supporter.html

BBC bosses have sparked outrage by broadcasting a historic film presented by a notorious child sex campaigner – and have refused requests to remove it from the internet.
The documentary is presented by Ian Dunn, one of the founders of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which campaigned to legalise sex with children.

...

When The Mail on Sunday contacted the BBC to point out the documentary was causing offence, the broadcaster refused to take it down – on the grounds that it is a ‘significant’ work on the history of gay rights.
The documentary, first shown on the BBC in 1976, shows the lives of gay people at a time when homosexuality was still illegal in Scotland, and featured interviews with future Foreign Secretaries Robin Cook and Malcolm Rifkind.
It was an episode of a public access TV series called Open Door, and the BBC website states it was made by the Scottish Minorities Group and credits Ian Dunn as a presenter.

Tell me more about your great civilization Tassman.

Catherine Allen, of sexual abuse victims’ charity One In Four, said: ‘This is horrifying and shows complete contempt for those who suffered at the hands of Ian Dunn and other members of PIE.
‘I believed the BBC had learned lessons from the Savile saga but they still aren’t taking sexual abuse seriously.’

I'll bet they learned quite a few lessons, probably related to the British people's willingness to tolerate having their children molested. Let's all become liberal atheists and hand our children over to Savile Baal.

[Starlight]

DE,
Your post is misleading because it makes it seem like the BBC is broadcasting a film promoting pedophilia. This is emphatically simply not the case. Have you even read your own linked article?

[Darth Executor]

DE,
Your post is misleading because it makes it seem like the BBC is broadcasting a film promoting pedophilia.

It does? How?

This is emphatically simply not the case. Have you even read your own linked article?

Yes, they're promoting a film on gay rights presented by a pedophilia advocate, which I suppose is a small improvement to helping Jimmy Savile rape kids.

[Tassman]

I'm just floored by what relevance your posts about the evils/dangers of homosexuality have in regard to my gay friends who are in committed, stable relationships with their partners and do not engage in any of the practices that you've mentioned.

It has no relevance. It's hate speech intended to promote fear and loathing. And it's getting ever more frantic as the Christian haters realise they've been left behind by history. They're reduced to scaremongering and fighting for the rights of cake-shop owners. Poor Darth, gone are the good ol' days of the KKK when blacks, Jews and gays could be kept in their place with a lynching or two.

[Tassman]

In related news, the taxpayer funded Boy Bonkers Corporation takes a principled stand in the fight for gay rights:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...supporter.html



Tell me more about your great civilization Tassman.

Sure! It’s ranked 2nd after Norway on the Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index as compared to the Christian nation of the USA which is ranked 28th, shameful for such a rich nation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y-adjusted_HDI

But the world knows that the USA is one of the most inequitable, violent countries in the developed world with the highest incarceration rates – by far. But then religion seems to do that to people. Look at Saudi Arabia. Yemen or the religion-saturated undereducated nations of Africa.

I'll bet they learned quite a few lessons, probably related to the British people's willingness to tolerate having their children molested. Let's all become liberal atheists and hand our children over to Savile Baal.

Homosexuality has no more to do with pedophilia than heterosexuality does, as anybody who knows what they’re talking about is aware of. BTW: Saville "bonked" little girls not little boys.

It does? How?

Yes, they're promoting a film on gay rights presented by a pedophilia advocate, which I suppose is a small improvement to helping Jimmy Savile rape kids.

Genetic Fallacy! You're hopeless DE, blinded by bigotry.

[Darth Executor]

Look at Saudi Arabia.

Sure, Saudi Arabia is 17 on the list of countries with the smallest murder rates, compared to Prison Colony Alpha at 34. This achievement is made all the more impressive when you consider how poorly behaved muslim arabs tend to be relative to Australian cuckypoofs.

[Epoetker]

Still enamoured of this white supremacist, homophobic, misogynist crap are we Epoetker? It shows in everything you post.

“‘Pleasureman’ is the site administrator of My Posting Career which is “a Something Awful spinoff forum for racist ex-goons who consider themselves too intellectual for Stormfront or VNN. Popular discussion topics include making fun of liberals, boasting about their weightlifting routines, and whining about how n****rs, Jews and homosexuals are ruining everything. - Encyclopedia Dramatica.

Tassman, have you ever lifted a weight you can boast about? Serious question.

[Starlight]

Sure, Saudi Arabia is 17 on the list of countries with the smallest murder rates, compared to Prison Colony Alpha at 34.

Compared to the USA at #108. Not a very helpful example to make your case with.

One American political commentator I was listening to today made the good point that most Americans are not very knowledgeable about how their country is perceived overseas, and are totally unaware of the relatively high number of people in other Western countries who would agree with the statement "I would have second-thoughts about taking my family on holiday to the US, due to fear that they might be shot". America is often perceived as a dangerous land of gun-wielding crazies. Your gun homicide rate is twenty times higher than it is here.

I would personally never move to the US for three reasons:
* Guns everywhere, and a high rate of deaths due to them, would make me feel unsafe.
* Healthcare that is absurdly expensive
* Police I couldn't trust to be honest or competent