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  • #46
    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    See http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-...b_1400766.html
    not always but consistently”.
    "In his hilarious analysis of The 10 Commandments, George Carlin said to loud applause, "More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason," and many take this idea as an historical fact. When I hear someone state that religion has caused most wars, though, I will often and ask the person to name these wars. The response is typically, "Come on! The Crusades, The Inquisition, Northern Ireland, the Middle East, 9/11. Need I name more?"

    Well, yes, we do need to name more, because while clearly there were wars that had religion as the prime cause, an objective look at history reveals that those killed in the name of religion have, in fact, been a tiny fraction in the bloody history of human conflict. In their recently published book, "Encyclopedia of Wars," authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that approximately one to three million people were tragically killed in the Crusades, and perhaps 3,000 in the Inquisition, nearly 35 million soldiers and civilians died in the senseless, and secular, slaughter of World War 1 alone."
    Interesting link.

    But you will note I did not state that religion caused most wars. My actual comment was: “The enduring themes of relentless slaughter throughout history have been at the behest of the gods – not always but consistently”. And it has been consistent - from Moses to ISIS with much in between. And the post to which you responded focused upon religious wars specifically in response to Epoetker’s typically empty rhetoric: “The biggest slaughters, whether in Europe or China, have been specifically when people are taught to ignore their gods, their history, and their inherited morality”, which of course is hyperbolic nonsense.

    Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
    Why does the exposed and defeated wretch think it has any right to speak, much less change the subject completely, when it has completely failed to address the original rebuttal? You will answer the original rebuttal or you will find yourself another thread, before I make this one completely about embarrassing you.
    As always, the school-yard bully posing as a hard-headed realist.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      My actual comment was
      If you have to clarify yourself repeatedly, maybe you shouldn't be posting without extensive revisions.

      As always, the school-yard bully posing as a hard-headed realist.
      Your psychological behavior seems rather characteristic of something that cries out for bullying.

      Everything from a Gamma is a con or a presented image because behind that shell is a scared, miserable boy who uses whatever tools are at his disposal to build the Gamma Delusion Bubble. The Gamma Delusion Bubble shields the Gamma from somehow and some way ever being wrong about anything, as there is no being wrong about “something”, there is only being a wrong “person”. His identity is so tied up in his opinions about everything, including himself, that any slip-up is a catastrophe which must be avoided at all costs.

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      • #48
        ... so no one is interested in even discussing the implications of the federal government potentially executing someone for killing people in a state that disavowed the death penalty several decades ago? Even if we factor in that it was outlawed by court decision rather than referendum or even legislation?

        ... okay. Just wanted to check.
        Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
          ... so no one is interested in even discussing the implications of the federal government potentially executing someone for killing people in a state that disavowed the death penalty several decades ago? Even if we factor in that it was outlawed by court decision rather than referendum or even legislation?

          ... okay. Just wanted to check.
          The people who rule us have about as much interest in legal consistency as Tassman or Starlight. Still technically Holder's Justice Department, after all.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
            The people who rule us have about as much interest in legal consistency as Tassman or Starlight. Still technically Holder's Justice Department, after all.
            Where's the inconsistency? He was tried by the feds, it doesn't matter what Mass. law by judicial fiat says.
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Epoetker View Post
              The people who rule us have about as much interest in legal consistency as Tassman or Starlight.
              Given we're from countries that haven't had the death penalty in 50 years, we've kind of just not got much interest in it, period.

              I'll say this: If you're going to have state-sanctioned murder, then it would seem a case like this (where (a) no one is disputing the fact that the guy did it, and (b) he intentionally killed multiple people and harmed numerous others) would seem a reasonable instance to being doing it.

              Just bear in mind every time you try to villainize ISIS for executing someone, it simply reminds me of the US and your Saudi Arabian allies.

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              • #52
                ISIS is villainized for executing innocent people, I doubt any of us cares if they executed, say, an abortionist.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                  ISIS is villainized for executing innocent people
                  Like Rick Perry? Unfortunately with the death penalty, there's no way to undo it once you later find out that they were innocent.

                  Not to mention that seeking the death penalty is generally not fiscally conservative, as it results in massive additional trial costs.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                    ISIS is villainized for executing innocent people, I doubt any of us cares if they executed, say, an abortionist.
                    ISIS is "villainised" for executing anybody at all. Capital Punishment is barbaric, not the behaviour of a civilised nation and nor is it practised by any of the Western powers apart from the Christian USA.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...ment_by_nation

                    My own country, Australia abolished it 50 years ago, because it couldn't be justified as a deterrent. It's not, it's nothing more than cheap revenge.
                    Last edited by Tassman; 04-13-2015, 12:29 AM.
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      ISIS is "villainised" for executing anybody at all. Capital Punishment is barbaric, not the behaviour of a civilised nation and nor is it practised by any of the Western powers apart from the Christian USA.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...ment_by_nation

                      My own country, Australia abolished it 50 years ago, because it couldn't be justified as a deterrent. It's not, it's nothing more than cheap revenge.
                      I can see why the descendants of a prison colony might be a bit jumpy at the thought of swinging in the winds, necks held firmly by Grandfather Rope. I suspect liberals in general feel a touch of existential dread nudging at their hind brain, as if you know deep inside that you deserve a grim end for your atrocities, which manifests itself in a pretty hysterical manner.
                      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Like Rick Perry? Unfortunately with the death penalty, there's no way to undo it once you later find out that they were innocent.

                        Not to mention that seeking the death penalty is generally not fiscally conservative, as it results in massive additional trial costs.
                        I'm not fiscally conservative but even if I was there are ways to expedite the process.
                        "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                        There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                          I'm not fiscally conservative but even if I was there are ways to expedite the process.
                          Sure, execute them before the trial. Saves everyone a lot of time and money.

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                          • #58
                            I'm sure there's a middle of the road solution between executing them before the trial and 20 years of appeals.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                              I'm sure there's a middle of the road solution between executing them before the trial and 20 years of appeals.
                              And then there's the civilised solution of abolishing capital punishment altogether. What is it with Christians with their desire to punish and exact revenge, is it the heaven or hell mentality? Just look at the nations worldwide that the Christian USA identifies with in this regard - none from the developed world.

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_...ent_by_country
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by seasanctuary View Post
                                There's no reason to execute people in our society other than satisfaction some people get from killing people. It's legal sadism.
                                If someone intentionally removes another's life, then that person has forfeited their own right to live.
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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