This doesn't seem all that surprising. Though, if you take into account the Christian explosion that researches believe will happen in China, that might change these numbers a bit. I am wondering about the dynamics of a world that will be a majority of Christian and Muslim. If Muslims become more radical by population, will there be another war between us and them at some point? It that happens, it will be interesting to see whom the non-religious and those of "less popular" religions side with.
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This doesn't seem all that surprising. Though, if you take into account the Christian explosion that researches believe will happen in China, that might change these numbers a bit. I am wondering about the dynamics of a world that will be a majority of Christian and Muslim. If Muslims become more radical by population, will there be another war between us and them at some point? It that happens, it will be interesting to see whom the non-religious and those of "less popular" religions side with."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)Tags: None
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostI'm just hoping violent extremism goes down among Muslims and doesn't go up among Christians.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostTrue. I think the growth of Islam is mostly due to the way it spreads. While Christianity centers around free will choice in accepting Christ, muslims tend to conquer by the sword. They will take over an entire country and force people to convert while making other religions against the law.
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostOr they both spread mainly by the momentum from indoctrinating children, and Muslims are making more babies.
Edit: Nevermind, "indoctrination" doesn't necessarily have a negative connotation. Just ignore this.Last edited by Zymologist; 04-07-2015, 02:41 PM.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostOr they both spread mainly by the momentum from indoctrinating children, and Muslims are making more babies.
And a lot of kids who grow up in atheist families turn to Christianity.
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Originally posted by seasanctuary View PostIt's more about whether people raised by Christians or Muslims are more likely to become Christians vs. Muslims.
Nonreligion is more off to the side, both because of numbers and because it's not a replacement religion.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI am sure that is a part of it. but when it comes to Islam, when they get enough numbers or influence, they take over a country, install Sharia law, outlaw other religions, and basically force people to convert to Islam or end up in prison or even death. A bit different than Christianity, eh?"[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI am sure that is a part of it. but when it comes to Islam, when they get enough numbers or influence, they take over a country, install Sharia law, outlaw other religions, and basically force people to convert to Islam or end up in prison or even death. A bit different than Christianity, eh?"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI count ~50 countries on Wikipedia's "Islam by country" page with over 50% of the population being Muslim. How many of these countries have "install[ed] Sharia law, outlaw[ed] other religions, and basically force[d] people to convert to Islam or end up in prison or even death"?"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Implementing some form of Islamic law in Muslim-majority countries wasn't the particularly contested part of Sparko's assertion. Outlawing other religions and forcing non-converts to head to prison or death was the part that seemed completely out of place in the majority of Muslim-majority countries."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostImplementing some form of Islamic law in Muslim-majority countries wasn't the particularly contested part of Sparko's assertion. Outlawing other religions and forcing non-converts to head to prison or death was the part that seemed completely out of place in the majority of Muslim-majority countries.
So atleast half of the countries with the most Muslims, perform forced conversions. Sparko's assertion is not without merit."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostSo I went looking a bit further into this. There are 49 Islamic countries. Of those, 32 have the highest Muslim population by percentage. And of those 32, 16 countries (that I felt like researching) have strong reports of forced conversions/deaths. Those countries are: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Libya, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Western Sahara, Yemen.
So atleast half of the countries with the most Muslims, perform forced conversions. Sparko's assertion is not without merit.
Originally posted by Sparko[Muslims] will take over an entire country and force people to convert while making other religions against the law.Originally posted by Sparko[W]hen it comes to Islam, when they get enough numbers or influence, they take over a country, install Sharia law, outlaw other religions, and basically force people to convert to Islam or end up in prison or even death.
That sounds a lot worse than "About 30% of majority-Muslim countries have reports of forced conversions at some time.""I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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