He's a liar and a traitor to the US, and since we are technically still at war, he should be hanged as a war criminal.
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Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor?
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostHe's a liar and a traitor to the US, and since we are technically still at war, he should be hanged as a war criminal.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostIf we're going to start hanging war criminals, there are a number of people far more responsible for breaches of international law whom we ought to hang first.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostTBH, I'm not interested in "international law"Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostThen be more careful in your terminology:
he's just a traitor, not a war criminal.
Frankly, even though he has betrayed the government, I'm still willing to insist that he has done a service to the American people.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostUnderstood. Although in 13th Century England, the crime of treason encompassed what the Hague calls "war crimes"
He betrayed his country's government, his company that he worked for, and the oath of secrecy one takes when one agrees to handle classified material. He had no right to disseminate that material, regardless of his attempt at "service" to the people (who never asked him for that service in the first place). He lied, broke the confidentiality agreement that HE signed, and exposed classified information. I served 21 years in the US military, and have served another 12 as a DOD employee and contractor, and I know just how important those agreements are. It's from a position of intimate knowledge of these processes and procedures that I have such a disgust for Snowden. My job is information security. What he did was a direct violation of those like me who do what I do. Someone got fired for Snowden's "service", I can guarantee.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostIt's not a witticism, it's a literary reference. In the fairy tale, everyone can see that the emperor is naked, just as, apparently, everyone knows that the U.S. is spying on them. You would have states pretend, in their direct interactions with each other, as if this is not the case. Snowden provides evidence of what you suggest is obvious among states, and this is supposed to be a startling and scandalous revelation?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostI should hope someone got fired for this clear instance of government over-reach.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI know what it refers to. The reference just doesn't make any sense because, as I explained over and over and over, it's not the fact that he revealed that the US is spying that's the problem. It's that he revealed the specific details. At this point I think you're simply playing stupid because I find it hard to believe you actually are too dumb to tell the difference.Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNot what I meant. Someone got fired for him leaking the docs, not for the content of them.
DE, I said quite clearly in post #13 that you had a point with respect to the content of the leak, but I took issue with your suggestion from post #9 that admitting it openly causes diplomatic issues.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhat did he lie about?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostLet's you and him fight: is it the leaking itself that's problematic, or the content of the leak?That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by seanD View PostOh okay, I thought you were talking about facts regarding the prism program which all I'm concerned about.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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