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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Grow thread. Grow.
    Die thread. Die!

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    • Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
      Die thread. Die!
      I have almost 10,000 views!!! I walk alone! In the darkness!!!

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      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I have almost 10,000 views!!! I walk alone! In the darkness!!!
        And I created Pig Latin, as a Creol, even though I can't spell it, and am really a black man who is part Indian and part white and don't you EVEN talk about my Mama!
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          I have almost 10,000 views!!! I walk alone! In the darkness!!!
          Let's be serious though. You only got 10,000 views because Cow Poke is here...
          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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          • Originally posted by Jesse View Post
            Let's be serious though. You only got 10,000 views because Cow Poke is here...
            Cow Poke is a Chinese Bot???

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Cow Poke is a Chinese Bot???
              Well, yeah, but not TRULY!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                An an ancient collectivistic Jew might just find it hard to understand how people could ever embrace such selfish individualistic modern notions of ownership.
                They were collectivist in their view of self, not property. The ancients weren't communists and clearly understood bounderies like personal ownership. That's why the Old Testament had laws against stealing and advocated retribution.

                Exodus 22:1, "Whoever steals an ox or a sheep and slaughters it or sells it must pay back five head of cattle for the ox and four sheep for the sheep."

                But nice try on attempting to sound like a sociologist by using terms that I'm not entirely sure you understand.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  The article in the OP of this thread has now been fact checked and found to be entirely false. When fact-checkers asked the owners of restaurants that were closing why they were closing the story was consistently: "My closure is strictly due to location — nothing to do with wages" and "we did not close our … location due to the new minimum wage". Various restaurant owners described the original article claiming future minimum wage increases as the reason for closures as "preposterous" and "weird".
                  How the Seattle Times got it wrong on our $15 minimum wage blog

                  So much for your "fact check".
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    Gotta love it when the fact checkers get fact checked.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      My favorite part of their excuses are where they spend the first section of the article pointing out that they accurately repeated the statements of others and that therefore they didn't get it wrong, regardless of the truth of those statements.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        My favorite part of their excuses are where they spend the first section of the article pointing out that they accurately repeated the statements of others and that therefore they didn't get it wrong, regardless of the truth of those statements.
                        Mind providing an actual quote, instead of your discomboobulation of what was said?
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Gotta love it when the fact checkers get fact checked.
                          Even better, the rebuttal was one of the top comments in the feedback section of the article.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                            My favorite part of their excuses are where they spend the first section of the article pointing out that they accurately repeated the statements of others and that therefore they didn't get it wrong, regardless of the truth of those statements.
                            Let's go to the source.

                            Source: Washington Policy Center

                            The Seattle Times got it wrong this week in an appearance of that self-appointed arbiter of veritas, “Truth Needle,” by food writer Bethany Jean Clement, about our blog on the $15 minimum wage law and restaurant closings in Seattle. Here’s why.

                            Our blog accurately reported that Seattle Magazine said in a March 4th article, “Why are so many Seattle restaurants closing lately?”, that a “major factor” affecting restaurants in Seattle “is the impending minimum wage hike to $15 an hour.” The author, Sara Jones, described the new law as a “key consideration” for Seattle restaurants.

                            Our blog also accurately reported that Seattle Magazine mentioned supporting articles in The Seattle Times and Eater.com that have reported extensively on “restaurant owners’ many concerns about how to compensate for the extra funds that will now be required for labor...” under the $15 minimum wage law.

                            The Times’ food reporter did important work in contacting three Seattle restaurant owners and interviewing them about why they had recently closed or moved restaurants. However, she operated from the false assumption that she was “debunking a rumor” as the Times describes it, about the impact of the $15 minimum wage law. She said the three owners she talked to denied the $15 minimum wage law is the reason they closed or moved their restaurants.

                            She did not, however, ask them about whether rising wage costs were a “major factor” or a “key consideration” in their business decisions, as Seattle Magazine, reported and which Washington Policy Center reported accurately. And she did not contact Washington Policy Center for further information. As a result, her “Truth Needle” article is wrong, because the reporter was operating on a false assumption from the beginning. [Emphasis mine. -MM]

                            Our blog accurately noted that restaurants close for many reasons and that in Seattle, as the new mandate goes into effect, the $15 minimum wage law had added a unique factor. There is simply no question Seattle’s $15 minimum wage law is a concern for local business owners, and is a factor in whether restaurants and other businesses remain viable, for several reasons.

                            https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/blo...imum-wage-blog

                            © Copyright Original Source


                            Follow the link for the rest.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              They were collectivist in their view of self, not property. The ancients weren't communists and clearly understood bounderies like personal ownership.
                              Why are you so hung up about communism? A collectivist view of property isn't necessarily communist. Neither, of course, does a communal sense of some property necessarily imply that there is no space for individual ownership at all, just as collectivism doesn't imply that no sense of the individual existed.

                              But nice try on attempting to sound like a sociologist by using terms that I'm not entirely sure you understand.
                              I'm sure you will be able to enlighten us all.

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                              • Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                                Why are you so hung up about communism? A collectivist view of property isn't necessarily communist. Neither, of course, does a communal sense of some property necessarily imply that there is no space for individual ownership at all, just as collectivism doesn't imply that no sense of the individual existed.
                                "Collectivist view of property" is the textbook definition of communism.

                                But it doesn't matter because you're arguing against yourself now. First you claimed that the ancient Jews would have had trouble comprehending our "individualistic modern notions of ownership," but now you say there was space in their worldview for the concept of "individual ownership".

                                The bottom line, of course, is that nowhere in scripture is it commanded or implied that we are to "redistribute" a person's wealth against their will.
                                Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-26-2015, 12:11 AM.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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