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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThat's COMPLETELY the point! And the label "obituary" is a misnomer. It is a news report, not an obituary. And as an aside, I find it rather disgusting that listing her accomplishments as a mother and wife before professional endeavors is something less than honorable.Last edited by fm93; 03-13-2015, 10:04 AM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have found liberals generally to be the most unhappy people imaginable. The worst kind of prigs...Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostWhat? No, that's really not the point. She's famous first and foremost for being a brilliant rocket scientist.
It's fine to include a note of her accomplishments as a mother and wife, but it shouldn't say that she was a homemaker "and ALSO a rocket scientist," as if the thing that made her famous enough to warrant a piece in the Times in the first place was an afterthought.
It should say "She was a brilliant rocket scientist who was also beloved for being a wonderful mother and wife who expertly balanced her career with her family." And the issue is that if she had been a man, that's how it would've been written.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostAgain, it's a NEWS REPORT. It was not her official obituary that was posted at the funeral home.
Why not? What makes one more important than another?
And your ESP and sight into alternate universes where she was a man proves that, right?
Again, I find it disgusting that you think her career was more valuable than her personal life, as if listing one before the other changed her worth as a human being. Simply disgusting.
If the Times really knew of her first as a wonderful mother and wife and for some reason decided to honor her in the paper primarily for that, then there'd be no problem with what they initially did.Last edited by fm93; 03-13-2015, 10:41 AM.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostWhat? No, that's really not the point. She's famous first and foremost for being a brilliant rocket scientist. It's fine to include a note of her accomplishments as a mother and wife, but it shouldn't say that she was a homemaker "and ALSO a rocket scientist," as if the thing that made her famous enough to warrant a piece in the Times in the first place was an afterthought. It should say "She was a brilliant rocket scientist who was also beloved for being a wonderful mother and wife who expertly balanced her career with her family." And the issue is that if she had been a man, that's how it would've been written if it included any reference to family.
They tend to speak well of the deceased, and what the person was like. If she was proud of her family life, it makes sense that is what her obituary would focus on. I for one would like to be remembered as the type of person I was and how I lived and loved, rather than a job description.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostObituaries are not resumes for crying out loud!
They tend to speak well of the deceased, and what the person was like. If she was proud of her family life, it makes sense that is what her obituary would focus on.
I for one would like to be remembered as the type of person I was and how I lived and loved, rather than a job description.
It'd be one thing if Brill or her family specifically asked the Times to emphasize the family aspect first, but the fact that the Times changed it later without clarifying the deceased's request indicates that there was no specific request.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostThis coming from the conservative who posts a new thread complaining about alleged fascism in same-sex equality or revised language or Islamic relations every day.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostOf course, we have to expose the liberal mental disorder before it destroys us all. Self preservation is a good thing and remember - we are only responding to your attacks and insanity. We are the ones trying the preserve freedom.Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17
I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostYou seem so miserable.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by fm93 View PostAnd this makes a significant difference...how, exactly?
The fact is that this PARTICULAR article that you claim is "sexist" was celebrating the DUALITY of Yvonne Brill's life, which included her work AND home life, which was the reason she was awarded the "Diamond Superwoman" (SEXISM!!! SEXISM!!!!) award in 1980 by Harper’s Bazaar magazine and the DeBeers Corporation for returning to a successful career after starting a family.
Because that's not why they're eulogizing her. They didn't go "Wow, Yvonne Brill was such a great mother and wife! Let's write this piece for her in our paper!" They wrote about her to honor her as a scientist.
No, my reading of obituaries (or "news reports," since you seem to love that phrase so much ) of famous men who passed away finds that in virtually every instance, the men have the thing that they're famous for emphasized in the opening, just as we'd expect.
What in the world? Where'd that come from? I don't think her career was more valuable than her personal life. I sure as heck don't think listing one before the other changes anything about her worth as a human being. It's just that, once again, if the Times writes a piece about her to honor her FOR HER SCIENTIFIC CAREER, it makes no sense to emphasize something that isn't her scientific career over the thing that's their main reason for writing the piece about her in the first place. It'd be weird if I hired a construction worker over to my house to fix my roof, but then when he arrived I had him fix my computer, wouldn't it? Even if he also knew how to fix computers, the fact that I called him over for a completely different reason would render the situation bizarre.
If the Times really knew of her first as a wonderful mother and wife and for some reason decided to honor her in the paper primarily for that, then there'd be no problem with what they initially did.
An additional problem with the article is mentioning the “Diamond Superwoman award” immediately after her National Medal of Technology and Innovation, as if the two awards were comparable."
Snobbery. Plain and simple. And just as I said, disgustingly denigrating her personal life as insignificant in the face of her professional career. As if her life would have somehow had far less meaning if she had not won the "more prestigious" award...That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostThat's hard to imagine.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYeah, I believe you. I bet you've known some that are hard to believe how different they are now than they used to be.
Yes...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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